Removed

[Tango]

Maybe. There is only so much data available for certain aircraft, and none available for most aircraft. Also, the equations of motion haven't changed in a long long time. We are reaching a point of diminishing returns when it comes to flight modelling and the only thing that could make today's flight models seem simple in comparison would be a new age of supercomputers that could calculate real-time fluid dynamics for use in a simulator environment. Those are extremely resource intensive (talking 8 hours for a fast computer to solve a static analysis).

I second this comment!

 

The only thing we've really been able to do in the last 10 years is add more code to make the flight model "fuller" in terms of what it is calculating.

 

To borrow from computer audio capability - instead of 4 or 16 limited bandwidth "voices" that we had in the mid-90s, we can now have a complete orchestra using the full frequency range 20 Hz to 20 kHz, playing simultaneously.

 

You can't compare DCS flight model to MSFS flight model because one uses equations of motion (DCS) and the other... well, that is anyone's guess, but it certainly isn't physics.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

Edited November 29, 2012 by Tango

[Blaze]

Internal ED model that was being worked on YEARS ago, the status of which is a mystery.

[SkateZilla]

about the same time they started the new flanker model.. haha

 

 

there is no External Simple Flight model.. lol..

the DCS SFM uses thrust, wieght, and some aero/engine data, the rest is scripted.

You can further extend those parameters in the LUAs, but unless you use the External API to build your own flight model, all the stall behavior etc will remain scripted.

Edited November 29, 2012 by SkateZilla

[Dejjvid]

So you tell me that a 3rd party can't make a module with his/her own simple FM?

[Blaze]

Third party modules can use the Standard Flight Model if they choose. It's up to them if they want to go the SFM or EFM route.

[SkateZilla]

Yep, given the proper data it takes only a few hours to integrate an SFM, but flying qualities all SFM aircraft just feel way too similar because in the simplification you miss some of the important aerodynamic nuances. Also with the SFM you get NO control of your control law logic...which, I would argue, is the most important piece of a flying qualities evaluation since it is the mediator between you and the aircraft and decides how the plane should actually fly in spite of inherent aerodynamic control behavior.

 

 

which is why my F-15C flies like poo.

[Steel Jaw]

I guess we can safely conclude that the new DCS Fast Mover will not be a Viper.

[SUBS17]

Its more likely a Viper than most other aircraft, I'm hoping its a Viper.

[Cedaway]

Not for trolling but isn't it F/A-18c as expected long ago?

Whatever, it's useless guesses till ED does not announce.

[SkateZilla]

I guess we can safely conclude that the new DCS Fast Mover will not be a Viper.

 

I dont see how your concluding that..

[Geraki]

any news from F-16C developemt> ?

 

3d model

weapons

FM?

[LeadDoctor]

Did any one get licensed to make a DCS viper?

[SkateZilla]

AFAIK, No.

[Pilotasso]

Did any one get licensed to make a DCS viper?

 

AFAIK, No.

 

Theres also a chance ED is already developing the F-16.

[SkateZilla]

just because they show renders 2 years ago doesnt mean they are,

 

they are also updating 3d models a few at a time.

[fedor]

Thanks CptSmiley for your work....waiting...

[Pilotasso]

well, of all the aircraft they listed 2 years ago, theres only 2 that are not going to be 3rd party. F-16A/C and F-18C, and they said thay had more info on the falcon. I could be wrong but I see 60% chance of being the latter.

[joey45]

I think the Viper will be the next module...

 

It flys like a beauty Capt'n...

[iggsta3o5]

how can I get this test model

[Blaze]

Just tried it out. Nice work so far! :)

[BIGNEWY]

Great stuff

 

works for me as well

 

thanks for showing us what you have done so far

[trietnguyen]

Thank you very much for sharing!

[sobek]

Waiting curiously to take a look at the sources. :)

[leonpo]

Did a short flight with my motion seat that uses acceleration forces from the simulator. Feeling very good.

 

Thanks!

 

Leon

[Tango]

it pretty much explores everything that is possible with the public EFM API and, more importantly, shows the limitations.

This is inaccurate. There are no limitations except those of the developer writing the EFM code.

 

If you're not an official 3rd party dev, you're going to have serious problems completing an EFM. I'm still strongly of the opinion the EFM API was never meant to be released publicly.

 

That said, great job getting this far! 8)

 

Best regards,

Tango.

Edited December 21, 2012 by Tango