Will we ever see another hardcore jet sim from ED?

[mjeh]

anyone know where I can listen to that radio interview Wags did? (_without_ registering on that dodgy site)

Edited February 10, 2013 by mjeh

[Nate--IRL--]

ED did anounced a F-18 patch when the first LOMAC came out, in about 2003

 

They did? I don't remember that.

 

Nate

[NRG-Vampire]

anyone know where I can listen to that radio interview Wags did? (_without_ registering on that dodgy site)

 

10 more hours

 

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/beyond-w-tony-kudos-17182/

[karasawa]

They did? I don't remember that.

 

Nate

 

They "announced" it, but they did not actually make it...

[kam]

They "announced" it, but they did not actually make it...

 

I remember seeing rumours of it being the next plane, after screenshots of the external 3d model were shown, but no announcement.

[Nate--IRL--]

They "announced" it, but they did not actually make it...

 

Are you sure? I know I would have certainly remembered an announcement.

 

Nate

[Flogger23m]

That an 18C is coming has already been announced. :)

 

As was the Su-27SM and F-15C.

What is NOT announced is which order and which one(s) is made by ED.

 

Can you link me to the announcements for these two aircraft? Is the Su-27SM going to be in FC3 or a standalone high fidelity module?

[Rikus]

The best question is, "When"

 

Greetings

[Weta43]

Why developing 3 planes at same time, at that level of develpment so difficult and need much time for each plane.

 

Isn´t better to focus in one plane to start selling earlier?

 

I know nothing about develoment plans for aircraft beyond what we're actually testing (& these you know about), but it seems to me there are probably natural bottle-necks in the development process for developers working on specific aspects of a given module (maybe - I finish the cockpit.EDM, you haven't finished putting the system modelling together because you're introducing an aspect that no previous module has had ?). If you were their employer, wouldn't you rather the devs who's talents are not needed at this moment for the current project started laying the foundations of the next ?

[Wolfie]

The best question is, "When"

 

Greetings

 

I really just want to hear confirmation on the next plane ED is coming out with. Not so worried about the time.

[NRG-Vampire]

I really just want to hear confirmation on the next plane ED is coming out with. Not so worried about the time.

 

dont worry

first aircraft will be the F-15C: 3D model and cockpit are (almost) ready, needs fully clickable pit, AFM and systems (avionics and radar) - ERT: 2013 3Q

 

second will be the Su-27SM: new 3D model is coming with next patch - probably not the final SM airframe, cockpit is WIP, others are under development too - ERT: 2014 1Q

 

third will be the F-18C: new 3D model is almost ready, needs LOD, and damage models and some emended animations, no cockpit, (we didnt see yet) others are under development - ERT: 2014 3Q

 

fourth? FW-190: we saw nothing, even we dont know which version will be modeled

 

fifth? F-15E? because F-15C + A-10C = F-15E :D

 

badnews: no announced two seaters in bag of ED :( but 3rd parties make two+ seaters

Edited February 11, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[EtherealN]

dont worry

first aircraft will be the F-15C: 3D model and cockpit are (almost) ready, needs fully clickable pit, AFM and systems (avionics and radar) - ERT: 2013 3Q

 

In other words: 95% of work remains? :)

 

second will be the Su-27SM: new 3D model is coming with next patch - probably not the final SM airframe, cockpit is WIP, others are under development too - ERT: 2014 1Q

 

Heh.

Su-27S:

 

Su-27SM:

 

Not sure what you think S helps in SM development. ;)

 

third will be the F-18C: new 3D model is almost ready, needs LOD, and damage models and some emended animations, no cockpit, (we didnt see yet) others are under development - ERT: 2014 3Q

 

How do you know any of this?

 

fourth? FW-190: we saw nothing, even we dont know which version will be modeled

 

Not seeing something in public doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Might just mean the developers are good at keeping a lid on unfinished stuff. :)

 

fifth? F-15E? because F-15C + A-10C = F-15E :D

 

F-15E is in development by ED partners, who are building on top of already released planes they've made for FSX. (EDIT: Though I do not know how much they have to re-do when porting to the new platform, I suspect quite a lot, but at least most of that should be implementation phase and not design phase, the latter being something the general public tend to underestimate.)

 

Basically, what I'm seeing is a lot of speculation, and I don't want anyone to put too much credence to your post.

[Wolf Rider]

Speculation = chinese whispers... fun to play, though detrimental in the long run in that "sounding knowledgeable" leads to a loss of credibility.

Taking a punt? no problem there... just don't portray it as fact.

[mjeh]

Just finished listening to Wags' radio interview, he does confirm that there's a 'study sim level' (read: dcs a-10c level fidelity) F-15C coming, as well as a Su-27SM and F-18C (a bit unclear on whether the 'study level' applied for the two latter but I think so), all from ED.

 

He also goes on to confirm that EDGE is a new graphics engine alltogether, allowing them to break free from some of the limitations of the old TFCSE engine, which he refers to as 'a bit dated'. So that's why Nevada is taking a while :D EDGE will allow for larger worlds, better effects and higher resolution terrain mesh (yay mountains) amongst other things, and will include SDK for map makers. So long, Caucasus!

 

There's also repeated mention of naval ops, although nothing specific about how/what/when. FW-190 is confirmed to be on the way, but no mention of who is making it or what model. There is also indication that there will be more WW2 aircraft in the future.

 

All in all most of this information will be known to many, but it is nice to get official confirmation on some key points, as well as clarification on some others.

Edited February 11, 2013 by mjeh

[LordWolf]

I hope f18c is coming soon, i know the f18e is being developed, but it's not gona be out anytime soon, i can't wait to see how the radar modes pan out in dcs!

[SkateZilla]

i dont expect to see any of them w/ ground Radar before edge is done. as the Ground Radar will interact with elements of the Terrain :). (I wouldnt want to code that twice).

 

and we all now Edge is on Hold for FC3, and FC3 is Delayed/Paused to fix NetCode issues, and then resuming adding new features *(6DoF Pits), which are hand me downs to FC3 from DCS Fighters/Airframes in the timeline.

 

I told you as soon as the F-15C pit was revealed, and as Soon as I opened it in EDMViewer and it had animations and connectors that it would be a DCS F-15C later on.

[sobek]

i dont expect to see any of them w/ ground Radar before edge is done. as the Ground Radar will interact with elements of the Terrain :). (I wouldnt want to code that twice).

 

The Migs radar interacts with terrain as well. Unless we know the specifics of how each party will model radar-terrain interaction, it is quite futile to draw these conclusions.

[SkateZilla]

Just sayin' I hope it's an easy change (if one is even needed) for A2G Radars already in the pipe that are expected to be out before edge.

[LordWolf]

So... where can i see info n EDGE, i thought edge was the thing that was released when they introduced modules

[sobek]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=71156&page=3

 

A bit dated, but still some nice screens.

[karasawa]

Still waiting for a F-16C or F/A-18E sim

[NRG-Vampire]

Basically, what I'm seeing is a lot of speculation, and I don't want anyone to put too much credence to your post.

 

yes we can call it my speculation

95% of work remains?

i dont think so: i think 25% of works remains: external model is ready, cockpit is ready, of course GK can improve it more if he want

i guesss Alex and Yo-Yo are almost ready with flight model and systems

 

Su-27S? i think we wont see new Su-27S cockpit. only the new external model for FC3

ED (GK) makes the SM pit as Wags said for DCS: Flanker Su-27SM

in next patch as i understand we will get new Su-27S external model but as i wrote before some click in 3D-max and GK will ready with Su-27SM external airframe

 

and i guess (i hope) DGambo will make the Focke ;)

Edited February 11, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[mjeh]

if coded with a bit of foresight, ground radar interaction doesn't need to be different at all - so long as it's scalable.

 

eyecandy (better graphical effects, high res textures etc) doesn't have to mean anything in this respect, I assume the relevant difference would mainly be in terrain mesh resolution and in number of objects with simulated mass (as opposed to the fly-through-see-through trees of the caucasus map, for example)

[LordWolf]

Still waiting for a F-16C or F/A-18E sim

if you're impatient as i am, then try bms f16c, it's modeled fully, so dl that and join up on red flag server.

 

as for f/a 18c/e, get janes f18 and read thru the manual, play with super hornet patch, just get to know the systems, after that try the superbug fsx with tacpac and learn that. It's not as good as dcs modules i guess, but it's good enough so that you can learn operations of all the modules instead of learning when it comes out here. Hope it helps!

[SkateZilla]

In other words: 95% of work remains? :)

 

 

 

Heh.

Su-27S:

 

Su-27SM:

 

Not sure what you think S helps in SM development. ;)

 

 

 

How do you know any of this?

 

 

 

Not seeing something in public doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Might just mean the developers are good at keeping a lid on unfinished stuff. :)

 

 

 

F-15E is in development by ED partners, who are building on top of already released planes they've made for FSX. (EDIT: Though I do not know how much they have to re-do when porting to the new platform, I suspect quite a lot, but at least most of that should be implementation phase and not design phase, the latter being something the general public tend to underestimate.)

 

Basically, what I'm seeing is a lot of speculation, and I don't want anyone to put too much credence to your post.

 

I was under the information that both 3rd parties doing the F-15E were using ED's Ingame EDM to save time.