Fw-190D9 Discussion

[BRooDJeRo]

How does it perform against the P51? In the world of warplanes beta the FW was slightly faster than the P51, but less agile. is this in anyway realistic?

Would this be a realistic dogfight or will one of the two always run for it?

[SuperSix2]

Worls of warplanes is a jokewhen it comes to there physics and modeling. War Thunder is better then that piece of crap game jowever war thunder is the same thing just more planes.

[genbrien]

the FW was slightly faster than the P51, but less agile.

Would have thought the opposite...:huh:

[Konrad Friedrich]

How does it perform against the P51? In the world of warplanes beta the FW was slightly faster than the P51, but less agile. is this in anyway realistic?

Would this be a realistic dogfight or will one of the two always run for it?

 

It would be historically correct, I'd say. Because those planes where opponents in real world.

 

And I think the A version of the Fw-190 with the BMW radial engine should be slightly more agile then the P-51.

The D version with the Jumo engine was slightly faster in climbs, but had a slower roll rate then the A versions.

[SkateZilla]

We need Super Marine Spitfires!!!

[BRooDJeRo]

It would be historically correct, I'd say. Because those planes where opponents in real world.

 

And I think the A version of the Fw-190 with the BMW radial engine should be slightly more agile then the P-51.

The D version with the Jumo engine was slightly faster in climbs, but had a slower roll rate then the A versions.

 

Though as much too.

 

Some time ago i saw a documentary about these pilots and indeed in most dogfights the german planes would stall slightly sooner than oponents, although outrunning couldn't happen before a fake maneuvre was made. Most of the time in many dogfights both side would call it a day for whisky and schnapps instead of doing a 'last-man-standing'. The general consensus was also 'a fighter that runs away, lives to fight another day. Guess that was still possible without guided missiles, the runway part that is.

[Yo-Yo]

It would be historically correct, I'd say. Because those planes where opponents in real world.

 

And I think the A version of the Fw-190 with the BMW radial engine should be slightly more agile then the P-51.

The D version with the Jumo engine was slightly faster in climbs, but had a slower roll rate then the A versions.

 

Can you prove this statement? Don't you mean the modification Ta-152H with larger wingspan? I can not see the reasons why the same wing with the same ailerons would lose roll rate due to airframe length increasing.

[Kwiatek]

Yep quite strange but what i read - mostly German pilots opinions were that Dora 9 lose some exelent roll rate charactersitic of his predecessor. But i doubt if even the difference was not so huge.

 

 

Donald Caldwell wrote of the FW 190 D-9�s operational debut in his The JG 26 War Diary Volume Two 1943-1945 (pages 388 � 399):

17 December: The Second Gruppe pilots returned to the front and their new base at Nördhorn-Clausheide in seventy-four Fw 190D-9s, their numbers bolstered by twenty brand-new pilots. The pilot�s opinions of the �long-nosed Dora�, or Dora-9, as it was variously nicknamed, were mixed. The new model was intended to correct the Fw 190�s most glaring weakness, its poor high altitude performance. What came out of Kurt Tank�s shop was a compromise. Tank did not like the liquid-cooled Jumo 213A engine, but it was the best choice available. The long in-line engine had to be balanced by a lengthened rear fuselage to maintain the proper center of gravity, making the Fw 190D four feet longer than the Fw 190A. The new airplane lacked the high turn rate and incredible rate of roll of its close-coupled radial-engined predecessor. It was a bit faster, however, with a maximum speed of 680 km/h (422 mph) at 6600 meters (21,650 feet).Its 2240 horespower with methanol-water injection (MW 50) gave it an excellent acceleration in combat situations. It also climbed and dived more rapidly than the Fw 190A, and so proved well suited to the dive-and-zoom ambush tactics favored by the Schlageter pilots. Many of the early models were not equipped with tanks for methanol, which was in very short supply in any event. At low altitude, the top speed and acceleration of these examples were inferior to those of Allied fighters. Hans Hartigs recalled that only one of the first batch of Dora-9s received by the First Gruppe had methanol-water injection, and the rest had a top speed of only 590 km/h (360 mph).

Edited February 21, 2013 by Kwiatek

[NineLine]

What about the guys from "Flugwerk"? http://www.flugwerk.de/html/page.php?GID=19&SID=4

Ok, their Fw-190 replica has got a russian Shvetsov ASh-82 engine (because of the lack of available BMW 801 engines I guess), but they should have lots of knowledge about that plane.

Costs nothing to ask about a little bit of help.;)

 

I think ED has avenues to talk to pilot(s) with experiences with the 190, but I dont think you can build an ED simulation on word of mouth, specially from a replica with Russian engine (not and Eagle Dynamics quality one I think) ;)

[BRooDJeRo]

Is there a billionaire around willing to invest in an original flyable Fw190 as a studymodel for DCS? Wouldn't be awesome gamepromotion too?

[Konrad Friedrich]

Can you prove this statement? Don't you mean the modification Ta-152H with larger wingspan? I can not see the reasons why the same wing with the same ailerons would lose roll rate due to airframe length increasing.

 

No, sorry, can't prove it.

I just remember the pilots Arthur Gärtner and Walter Krupinsky talking about the reduced turn and roll rate of the Dora compared to the A versions.

[NineLine]

Is there a billionaire around willing to invest in an original flyable Fw190 as a studymodel for DCS?

 

There are 2 190's just south of me in Everett, WA... and A-9 with original engine that is flyable and a D-13 that is flyable, but they dont fly it anymore because its so rare. ;)

 

Yo-Yo has most of what he needs, but of course all the data is in German, he was asking for someone that spoke German and understood engineering well enough to help him out with the documents he has. Just to cut down on the time translating stuff that might not be needed. And before anyone says it, this stuff is more extensive than most, if any collections available on the internet.

[Konrad Friedrich]

Is there a billionaire around willing to invest in an original flyable Fw190 as a studymodel for DCS? Wouldn't be awesome gamepromotion too?

 

How many people do you think are interested in flight simulation, so that would pay off... :music_whistling:

;)

Would still be cool...

[SimFreak]

So I wonder if it's going to be developed by same fine folks that made P-51, or it's external team.....

[Konrad Friedrich]

There are 2 190's just south of me in Everett, WA... and A-9 with original engine that is flyable and a D-13 that is flyable, but they dont fly it anymore because its so rare. ;)

 

Yo-Yo has most of what he needs, but of course all the data is in German, he was asking for someone that spoke German and understood engineering well enough to help him out with the documents he has.

 

That's why I mentioned the guys from Flugwerk.

Their engineers have gone through all this stuff, they speak german and understand these documents.

[mmaruda]

I'd check with people on various IL-2 forums (1C, SAS, etc) - there are a few discussion threads there about the 190 and people quote sources and link manuals and such. Some have interesting data straight from the LW.

 

A quick look around the "yellow board" lead me to this:

http://www.2shared.com/document/i6A-Pg2P/fw190a8.html

 

It's supposed to be a 190A8 manual translated to English. Looks legit, though I am a layman.

[BRooDJeRo]

How many people do you think are interested in flight simulation, so that would pay off... :music_whistling:

;)

Would still be cool...

 

Billionaires have the twitch to spend money in different ways where numbers don't opose the amount of fun to be had.

[leafer]

Is there a billionaire around willing to invest in an original flyable Fw190 as a studymodel for DCS? Wouldn't be awesome gamepromotion too?

 

PM my secretary!

[BRooDJeRo]

PM my secretary!

 

Yes, good idea. You PM your secretary.... :huh:

[cichlidfan]

Billionaires have the twitch to spend money in different ways where numbers don't opose the amount of fun to be had.

 

Unfortunately, Warren Buffett doesn't like computers very much and Bill Gates is busy saving the world so we shall have to move on down the list to leafer. :D

[leafer]

Actually, don't, ya'll be very disappointed. :D

[TeeJay82]

And for heaven`s sake... model the A... not the long nosed ugly D :D

[*Rage*]

And for heaven`s sake... model the A... not the long nosed ugly D :D

 

What!!

 

It better be the Dora:joystick:

[KAGZakhar]

And for heaven`s sake... model the A... not the long nosed ugly D :D

What "A" will be doing vs 51D?

[TeeJay82]

What "A" will be doing vs 51D?

 

6 or 8?