03 and 07 May 2013 Updates

[jers]

What in the world are you thinking with F-15 and Su-27

 

So you are making two modules that are more advanced than FC, but nowhere near close to DCS? You realize that means that pretty much murders *everyone's* interest in them... :doh:

[SkateZilla]

I might pay $10 to have the F-15C land decently.

 

On second thought, landing AND being able to maneuver outside of the SFM's limitations :)

[NRG-Vampire]

Great announcement if only because it will save me from spending money!

 

I'm DCS level on par with A-10C or nothing.

 

ok guys great news but dont panic

i think first they will add AFM (A-10A, F-15C and Su-27) to FC3 - Su-25 and Su-25T already got

 

later they will add clickable stuffs for DCS level

 

but the biggest question: what's going to happen with the classified radars ?

 

big headache to ED im sure - or simple ? - aircrafts manufacturers wont allow it ? :(

 

Skate, the A-10A AFM for FC3 was mentioned by Chizh on russian forum :thumbup:

[Erforce]

Well, i think i did not really understood Matt and posts in this thread.

Can a gentleman tell me what is "advanced Flight Model" compared to other titles?

 

I understood F15C/SU27 will not look like DCS A10.

But simpler, DCS-Lite F15C will be closer to F4.0 or F4AF or F4BMS / FF5 ?

 

No i don't have FC3, maybe too much arcade-style for me.

 

Edit : i don't blame ED if they make more money from users less exigent. If the earn $$$ to make DCS F18 and EDGE II.

Edited May 7, 2013 by Erforce

[DiCE81]

I might pay $10 to have the F-15C land decently.

I too.

If then worth 40$ instead of 50$ for who buyed FC3 and "little" module would be a great consideration for fidelity

[SkateZilla]

Well at this point there a lot of questions, like ME, will we be able to place the FC3 F-15C and a DCS F-15C? Or will this upgrade the current F-15C, and maybe FC3 owners wont have to purchase? Dont know....

 

Pretty sure it will integrate as the Same F-15C,

 

if you own both you'd have multiple modes (ie Game Mode, Simulation mode)

 

or FC3 Mode, DCS Mode, whatever.

 

I played with some stuff to know that you can have An Extreme Fidelity, a Med Fidelity and an insanely Low /"Game" Fidelity Version of the same module.

 

Just a matter of scripting the different levels in the input LUAs.

 

 

Since both FC3 and DCS F-15C will prolly have the same Callname and F_15C callback for the wstype. only one F-15C would prolly show up in Mission Editor Lists..

And when user joins that slot, they use whatever control set they have (FC3/DCS).

 

Since we dont know exactly whats coming w/ 1.2.5 features and engine wise, there might be some changes under the hood that we dont know about that allows Multiple Modules to show up as one Aircraft.

Edited May 7, 2013 by SkateZilla

[ishtmail]

Well, i think i did not really understood Matt and posts in this thread.

Can a gentleman tell me what is "advanced Flight Model" compared to other titles?

 

I understood F15C/SU27 will not look like DCS A10.

But simpler, DCS-Lite F15C will be closer to F4.0 or F4AF or F4BMS / FF5 ?

 

No i don't have FC3, maybe too much arcade-style for me.

 

Most FC3 airplanes have simplified flight model (for example SU27, F15), which means they don't behave as they should.

Advanced flight model is applied to DCS titles, including A10C, meaning they behave in the simulation as they should behave in real life.

 

The DCS version would mean simulating everything, from weapons, sensors, radars, including a fully clickable cockpit.

 

 

So: they can add AFM so airplanes behave better (more realistically), but they will still be simplified when it comes to systems (for example, in FC3 you start engines with one button, in DCS A10C it's a 10 minute procedure).

[YeaImRota]

This honestly seems like a waste of resources. I would much rather see this effort go towards the F-18.

[Jona33]

"Ours is not to reason why, ours is just to pay up or whine". Alright a wise man didn't say it and it doesn't make much sense but I was quite proud of that. :D

[NRG-Vampire]

This honestly seems like a waste of resources. I would much rather see this effort go towards the F-18.

 

we need to wait

most of the systems in Hornet/Eagle/Flankers are strongly classified

hopefully they are discussed with aircraft manufacturers what will be allowed to simulate/use in DCS

[Witchking]

I think it would be nicer just to release a 29.99$ package to update the Mig and Su33 as I said....and just add AFM to all the FC3 aircraft. Then, release all aircraft separately at like 15.99$. That would seem to make a lot more sense. I think what ED is shooting for here is to get loose of the Lock on chains. By releasing these old aircraft separately with updates, they can finally skip lock on limitations.

[GGTharos]

I doubt that, you're paying for the AFM in this case, and there's no reason to backport it into FC3 IMHO. AFM is a lot of work. In addition, the standalone modules are likely to be further developed in the future.

 

Even though the announcement is what it is, I personally believe that there will be more to those modules than adding AFM.

 

FC3 got new 3D exterior and interior models, new sounds, and a new missile physics engine.

 

Since these modules are not part of FC3 as well, they will not require LO to install.

 

I also imagine that such aircraft are also target at more casual players that one might find on Steam and Origin, and that would definitely not be wasted resources.

 

 

 

This is something I'd like to know, too. Will FC3 owners get their SU27s and F15s upgraded to AFM, or will this be exclusive to the standalone modules?

Edited May 7, 2013 by GGTharos

[Linx]

This honestly seems like a waste of resources. I would much rather see this effort go towards the F-18.

 

+1

 

I could have lived with DCS A-10C level of details on F-15C & Su-27, but this new deal sounds like a rip off and just means that less people will be working on DCS F-18C.

[Corrigan]

This honestly seems like a waste of resources. I would much rather see this effort go towards the F-18.

 

[SkateZilla]

This honestly seems like a waste of resources. I would much rather see this effort go towards the F-18.

 

Removing the 2 popular Aircraft Airframes from the restriction of Ubi-Soft's Stipulations will allow more Flanker/Eagle Pilots to come on board without having to track down a physical LoMAC Disk or pay $10 to download it, plus another $50 for FC3 just to Fly One Aircraft.

 

I think/**HOPE** the Eagle and Flanker AFMs will be integrated into FC3 as well, other wise DCS / Standalone Eagle/Flanker Pilots will have a Distinct advantage.

 

 

SFM = Standard/Simple/Scripted Whatever, It's a Flight model that's pretty scripted, thrust, weight, dimensions and some additional altitude lift and thrust values determine how the plane would act.

 

AFM = Advanced, Allows the Developer to Compile a Flight model that takes into account thrust at multiple states, input lag, lift/drag of individual surfaces to more accurately build the flight model and represent the performance of the Aircraft. Etc etc, not to even Mention the landing Gear, weight shift, and damage.

 

:joystick::joystick::joystick::joystick::joystick:

[jp203000]

Wags,you gave us a big surprise last week ,but you gave us a bigger surprise this week. I don't trust love any more .

[GGTharos]

Could have lived with? If you want more detail, join the air force. :)

 

+1

 

I could have lived with DCS A-10C level of details on F-15C & Su-27, but this new deal sounds like a rip off and just means that less people will be working on DCS F-18C.

[Frostie]

If this is EDs way of gradually removing ubi then I'm all for it.

[GGTharos]

Less UBI, more AFM.

 

If this is EDs way of gradually removing ubi then I'm all for it.

[Kameni]

I agree with Frostie here, but I am sad that F18 will not come this year (read between the lines).

Also, why isn't anyone responding to asks about SEAD missiles..... -.- EDIT: What is the point of testers when this kind of stuff gets released? With no explanation? To have flashy "Tester" tag on forum?!

As far as I can see - our only hope is 3rd party modules for now. But - how good can they work if they fail to set things straight and stable even in 1.2.5. I am getting tired of waiting. Thinking about reverting to IL2 for Christ Sake...... -.-

[NRG-Vampire]

If this is EDs way of gradually removing ubi then I'm all for it.

 

yeah, me too, that's the future, at least i hope that's the plan of ED :thumbup:

[SkateZilla]

If this is EDs way of gradually removing ubi then I'm all for it.

 

Ditto, I'll bite the $30 if it all ends up turning into:

DCS: F-15C

DCS: A-10A

DCS: SU-27

DCS: SU-25/T

 

Individually priced. Means more players will download what they want, instead of not wanting to pay for the whole thing.

 

 

 

I know A LOT of players that refuse to come to DCS because they refuse to Foot out $40(now$50)+$10 or more for LockOn, Just to fly the one plane they want (Which happens to be Flanker or the Eagle).

 

So a $20 F-15C with AFM, and without Ubi-Strictions will finally intice them to jump over.

 

(*note, that's and example price, dont read anything into it.)

Edited May 7, 2013 by SkateZilla

[GGTharos]

I think/**HOPE** the Eagle and Flanker AFMs will be integrated into FC3 as well, other wise DCS / Standalone Eagle/Flanker Pilots will have a Distinct advantage.

 

I doubt it will be, since FC3 did not fund that AFM.

As for distinct advantage, you deserve it if you can control an AFM plane. Many people will probably go stick-to-gut and flip out of the sky. Expect a lot of 'wtf this plane just stalls all over the place when I turn, it can't be real'.

 

SFM = Standard/Simple/Scripted Whatever, It's a Flight model that's pretty scripted, thrust, weight, dimensions and some additional altitude lift and thrust values determine how the plane would act.

 

It isn't scripted. It is, however, simple; as such it can't deal with all sorts of edge conditions that the AFM does.

 

(And really, what does scripted mean? In the end you could go as far as writing a CFD simulation to run your flight sim - because apparently everyone has a 100000 core computer in the future - but you could still call it scripted because you input a bunch of variables into a formula)

[Silver_Dragon]

and a question. What happens with FSBreak Wags announced module list on develop? has delayed?

[cichlidfan]

If this is EDs way of gradually removing ubi then I'm all for it.

 

Agreed. Even small steps are progress. :thumbup: