ferriwheel Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 I don't think at the moment it's possible to switch on PAC in A-10A which makes the cannon horribly less accurate than its reputation with the new flight model. I haven't tested this in DCS but I think in theory the spread of the cannon reduces as you increase airspeed. But since A-10A is generally employed at low airspeeds, it's not a viable solution to the problem unlike its eastern counter part. Has it been mentioned anywhere that this problem might be fixed in a future update? As an A/C that's designed and built around the cannon, it's a real shame to not be able to fire it as accurately as it should. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Svend_Dellepude Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 Stick forward when you fire the cannon. It can work with a little practice. Or if you have a hotas program a trim on the Y axis when you press the trigger and and release the trim again with the release of the trigger. :joystick: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
IonicRipper Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 Or simply fire in short bursts. Works great with the Su25(A) 1 i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ferriwheel Posted August 15, 2013 Author Posted August 15, 2013 Thank you for the handy tips guys. Though I still think in the spirit of accurate simulation, ED oughta implement PAC at some point. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
IonicRipper Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 Did the A-10A even have PAC? I always thought that was one of the improvements in the C version. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ferriwheel Posted August 15, 2013 Author Posted August 15, 2013 Well, I think I saw a rather noticeable PAC switch mounted on the canopy frame. I don't think any key input interacts with that switch though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
IonicRipper Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 Ahh, my bad. In that case, I agree. It should be implemented. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Snoopy Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 Did the A-10A even have PAC? I always thought that was one of the improvements in the C version. Yes A models had it. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Scarecrow Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 Must agree the absence of PAC on the A takes away alot of its' potential. It would be a shame if this wasn't remedied in the near future:music_whistling:
Home Fries Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 +1 on implementing PAC, especially now that EAC is implemented. -Home Fries My DCS Files and Skins My DCS TARGET Profile for Cougar or Warthog and MFDs F-14B LANTIRN Guide
GeorgeLKMT Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 +1 I said it already a few times and it has been discussed in other topics, but again: YES! PAC is really needed, no matter if it's FC3 fidelity or not. Gunning with SFM wasn't that hard, but AFM made it almost impossible. ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■
ferriwheel Posted August 15, 2013 Author Posted August 15, 2013 George you are right. I never had much problem employing the cannon with SFM. PAC is a must now that we have AFM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Dr_Arrow Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 The best thing would be to also to have DCS: A-10A with all its systems implemented:)
zaelu Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 in time... first some PAC love. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
ferriwheel Posted August 15, 2013 Author Posted August 15, 2013 Well I think the argument here is that PAC is an intrinsic and indispensable feature of the A-10A in order to be able to employ the A/C effectively rather than being just a step further towards an all-inclusive in-depth simulation. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
skouras Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 i make a thread about that some week ago yes add a key combination for that [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog
Exorcet Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 As far as PAC being necessary, it didn't originally come with the plane, and I've done some strafing in the C with it off. That said, the switch is obviously in the DCSW model, so it would make sense to have. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
ferriwheel Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Exorcet can you find any reference to when exactly PAC was installed on the A version? My search yielded nothing. But I suppose you are right about the initial A's did not come with PAC because the odd location of the PAC switch, which seems like an add on. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GeorgeLKMT Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 In 1990, the aircraft was modified to incorporate the Low Altitude Safety and Targeting Enhancements (LASTE) System. This system provided computer-aided capabilities including a Ground Collision Avoidance System (GCAS) to issue warnings of impending collision with the ground, an Enhanced Attitude Control (EAC) function for aircraft stabilization during gunfire and a Low Altitude Autopilot system, and computed weapon delivery solutions for targeting improvements. The LASTE computer system installation added the requirement for an Operational Flight Program (OFP) to provide the computer control software necessary to perform the above functions. Source: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/air/attack/a10.html ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■
ferriwheel Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Source: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/air/attack/a10.html Thanks George! This is awesome! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Griffin Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 +1 I will purchase the A-10A if PAC will be implemented!
KeyCat Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) Love this old school plane and it's a perfect steppingstone before taking on the C model, great job ED! I do agree with above, PAC is needed to make the 30 mm usefull. /KC Edited August 17, 2013 by KeyCat
MBot Posted August 17, 2013 Posted August 17, 2013 Personally I would have preferred to have an even earlier, pre-LASTE variant. The A-10 that faced the Red Army over Central Europe and killed tanks in Desert Storm not only didn't have PAC, it didn't even have CCIP or CCRP. Bombs and the gun were aimed the same way as with a P-47 in WWII.
ferriwheel Posted August 18, 2013 Author Posted August 18, 2013 Personally I would have preferred to have an even earlier, pre-LASTE variant. The A-10 that faced the Red Army over Central Europe and killed tanks in Desert Storm not only didn't have PAC, it didn't even have CCIP or CCRP. Bombs and the gun were aimed the same way as with a P-47 in WWII. Problem with that (just like with what P-51D is facing) is most of the weapon systems in DCS outdate that era by far and you'll often find yourself in a practice target situation. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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