DCS: Spitfire Mk LF IXc Discussion

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Bah it still has the non prototypical HF antenna wire on it

As well as the incorrect elevators!

Not to mention big tires wing bulges :lol:. But she's pretty enough, I still buy her.

 

S!

[Krupi]

Not to mention big tires wing bulges :lol:. But she's pretty enough, I still buy her.

 

S!

 

Very true, however at least with that one they can be forgiven MH434 has them installed! :smilewink:

 

P.S. These are small quibbles the main thing is that it flies right, the model is easily fixed and yes she does look a beauty :D

Edited July 16, 2016 by Krupi

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Very true, however at least with that one they can be forgiven MH434 has them installed! :smilewink:

Of course, but those were installed after the war IIRC :smilewink:. Somewhere over the net there is a full history record of the MH434 available, quite enlightening read.

 

S!

 

P.S.: but yeah, still she looks gorgeous :D :D :D.

[TwilightZone]

MH434 History - MH434 - Supermarine Spitfire IX - The Old Flying Machine Company

http://www.mh434.com/history/index.html...........:pilotfly:

[Friedrich-4B]

Not to mention big tires wing bulges :lol:. But she's pretty enough, I still buy her.

 

S!

 

One of the comments made by Bunyap is "...everything is subject to change...": hopefully, this means that the external details can still be changed. There's more than enough information to make a persuasive case to alter the physical appearance, but such details shouldn't take priority for now, because...

 

...P.S. These are small quibbles the main thing is that it flies right, the model is easily fixed and yes she does look a beauty :D

 

+1 :smilewink:

[DB_Cooper]

. any eta?

[LURKINGBADGER]

mid to end this year, but no deadline (i assume) wich is good, kill the bug's, rather then push it out.

[Alicatt]

Not to mention big tires wing bulges :lol:. But she's pretty enough, I still buy her.

 

S!

I'll just have to keep my eyes front as I fly her :pilotfly:

 

Oh look at those beautiful lines and not a single wire to hold her up ;)

 

[bart]

 

Oh look at those beautiful lines and not a single wire to hold her up ;)

 

Well, I'm no expert in the exact differences between the different Mk Spitfire's, but wasn't it possible it had an HF aerial fitted when new and this has been removed at some point?

 

When I was in the RAF the BBMF Lancaster flew into RAF St Athan where I was at the time and they asked for volunteers to give their guys a hand to remove the engines, and I was one of the fortunate few to get picked :D It was having a main spar change and a specialist team were going to do it. Anyway we got to climb all over her and I remember someone from BBMF telling me everything was original on it at the time except there was a transponder installed behind the original radio, the one with the big dial in the radio ops position, and it had a small white aerial near the mid upper turret. This was required for current legislation.

 

Just one example how some of these old beauties were changed to allow them to fly in modern skies.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Just one example how some of these old beauties were changed to allow them to fly in modern skies.

True, sometimes they have to fulfil actual aeronautical regulations, but here it's not the case. MH434 as is featured by current module had many overhauls and major repairings during his long career at RAF 43-45, but also Dutch AF 47-53 and Belgium AF 53-56, all that is well documented and known. Some of the overhauls for instance changed horizontal stabilizers from old angled ones to square, other changed probably the whole wing for a new one featuring post war features like the extra wing bulges, or some other probably changed a whole new engine, IIRC there is a 1943-44 pic of her still wearing the smaller undercowling air intake. Now remember the accidents she's had, a bunch of them indeed, that's a lot more changes.

 

The thing is, ED already told they'll "overhaul" P-51 to a 1944 European standard because she depicts right now a 1945 Iwo Jima model. So having such a detailed operational record of MH434 it would be a bit pointless to represent her in the 2016 configuration. I guess and hope like the P-51 has to be 3D "overhauled" hence Spit would be for the sake of accuracy even if she's released as we see in current screenshots. Anyhow, she's pretty enough wearing anything :D.

 

S!

[Nerd1000]

I'll just have to keep my eyes front as I fly her :pilotfly:

 

Oh look at those beautiful lines and not a single wire to hold her up ;)

 

speaking of wires, a while back some guy tried to tell me that the IFF antenna wires going from the fuselage to the tips of the tail on pre-1943 spits were structural bracing :music_whistling:

[Jaktaz]

speaking of wires, a while back some guy tried to tell me that the IFF antenna wires going from the fuselage to the tips of the tail on pre-1943 spits were structural bracing :music_whistling:

 

I didn't realize that that IFF existed during wwii. It worked in conjencture with ground radar?

[x39crazy]

I believe so, they put a move on installing it in fighters after the battle of barking creek right?

[Alicatt]

Well, I'm no expert in the exact differences between the different Mk Spitfire's, but wasn't it possible it had an HF aerial fitted when new and this has been removed at some point?

 

They phased out HF radios in 1940, 3 years before MH434 was built.

 

Here on a Vb you can see the attachment points on the mast for the wire guide for the HF radio but the wire has been removed, you can also see the IFF antenna wires coming out the sides of the fuselage.

 

 

The wire IFF antenna and VHF radio can be clearly seen on this Spitfire Mk. Vb. The insulator for the IFF wire to the tailplane can be seen on the red part of the fuselage roundel. The attachments points for the long obsolete triangular prong can be seen on the rear of the mast.

[American Memory]

 

From here: http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/spitfire-masts-and-aerials.html/2

Edited July 18, 2016 by Alicatt

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Nice pic!! A gold mine for a plastic modeller indeed, those scraps in the paint, that detail in IFF wire, those engine exhausts stains. And the Rock of Gibraltar behind :thumbup:.

 

S!

[bart]

They phased out HF radios in 1940, 3 years before MH434 was built.

 

Here on a Vb you can see the attachment points on the mast for the wire guide for the HF radio but the wire has been removed, you can also see the IFF antenna wires coming out the sides of the fuselage.

 

 

 

 

From here: http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/spitfire-masts-and-aerials.html/2

 

Thanks for the info :thumbup: I wasn't aware of the change. I wonder why they kept fitting the mast in production 3 years down the line if it has no operational purpose any more? did the mast have any additional use other than the HF aerial?

 

Nice pic there too btw.......

Edited July 18, 2016 by bart

[Merlin-27]

Thanks for the info :thumbup: I wasn't aware of the change. I wonder why they kept fitting the mast in production 3 years down the line if it has no operational purpose any more? did the mast have any additional use other than the HF aerial?

 

Nice pic there too btw.......

 

I believe that mast was for the VHF radio also. The HF wire that attached to it was removed apparently.

[Alicatt]

I believe that mast was for the VHF radio also. The HF wire that attached to it was removed apparently.

Yeah the mast was still used for the vertical VHF antenna. There is an additional antenna behind the mast on MH434.

New antennas were mounted under the wings for the newer version MkIII of the IFF in 1943, the wire antennas running to the tailplanes were removed at that time.

 

link to the bad visibility landing equipment for RAF aircraft

http://www.qsl.net/pe1ngz/airforce/airforce-raf/raf-eureka-rebecca.html

 

Lots of info on allied radio and radar equipment from WW2

http://www.qsl.net/pe1ngz/signalscollection.html

[Friedrich-4B]

Thanks for the info :thumbup: I wasn't aware of the change. I wonder why they kept fitting the mast in production 3 years down the line if it has no operational purpose any more? did the mast have any additional use other than the HF aerial?

 

In tests carried out on a Spitfire VB in 1943, removing the mast in favour of a whip aerial showed that the maximum speed was increased by ½ mph! It probably wasn't considered worthwhile removing the mast, which would also entail changing the skinning immediately behind the canopy.

[Reflected]

How much ammo will our Spit carry? IIRC from Il2 you ran out of the 20mm-s pretty quickly, then you were left with the pea-shooters. The .303-s weren't too effective in Il2 either, I can't imagine them doing any damage in DCS before the DM update.

[Krupi]

120 for each cannon, so you definitely have more than a K4 and significantly less than the Dora.

 

Rough values based on rate of fire and ammunition...

 

Spitfire

~17 seconds of .303"(Type C Wing)

~18 seconds of 0.5" (Type E Wing)

~10 seconds of 20mm

 

P-51d

~20 seconds of 0.5" (Outboard Two)

~28.5 seconds of 0.5" (Inboard Two)

 

Dora

~31 seconds of 13mm

~21 seconds of 20mm

 

K4

~20 seconds of 13mm

~6 seconds of 30mm (~17 seconds of 20mm in Gustavs)

Edited July 25, 2016 by Krupi

[Reflected]

Thanks for the info. Not so bad! But then you might as well call winchester :D

[Brigg]

They seem to fair ok in that comparison.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Brigg

[Krupi]

I am still a bit annoyed that we won't be getting the Type E Wing :huh:

 

Only reason I think they are giving us a 1943 Spitfire is that it can be used in a 1943/1944 scenario and VEAO's XIV (Type E Wing) will be the standard for 1944/1945

Edited July 25, 2016 by Krupi

[NeilWillis]

Do you mean disappointed, and not annoyed? Getting angry is hardly appropriate.