Wags update: F-15C: DCS Flaming Cliffs Update

[kontiuka]

I forget who's working on what. ED = F-15, Belsimtek = Su-27 or the other way around?

[GGTharos]

Other way around IIRC.

[Rotorhead]

Other way around IIRC.

 

Yes, that's what I remember as well. However, haven't heard of Flanker for quite a time! It's just me missing the updates or there are really no news about it?

 

I'm just asking, because I'd want to know in which phase of development it currently is. And don't you even dare to say Soon or When it is done! ;)

[NineLine]

And don't you even dare to say Soon or When it is done! ;)

 

As soon as it is done :)

[kontiuka]

Well, I hope the AFMs are free for FC3 owners but I've learned not to assume anything.

[Raven68]

I'd want to know in which phase of development it currently is. And don't you even dare to say Soon or When it is done! ;)

 

I'm curious to Rotorhead. Only 1 video of the F-15 is all I recall so far.

BTW, I like how you attempt to beat them to the punch of the typical reply. I'm sure there will be another you missed though.

[GGTharos]

Wags will probably be the first to post Flanker info. To put it in other words, as far as we testers/mods go, even if we happened to have something in our hands, we couldn't tell you anything about it without seeing official word of it first - basically we can't tell you where we heard anything about, whether we've seen it in testing, or anything else.

 

Simply put, I can't answer your question in a way that would give you any idea as to what's going on :P

 

Yes, that's what I remember as well. However, haven't heard of Flanker for quite a time! It's just me missing the updates or there are really no news about it?

 

I'm just asking, because I'd want to know in which phase of development it currently is. And don't you even dare to say Soon or When it is done! ;)

[cichlidfan]

Well, I hope the AFMs are free for FC3 owners but I've learned not to assume anything.

 

They have been so far, and Wags actually said as much somewhere around here.

[Rotorhead]

Well, I hope the AFMs are free for FC3 owners but I've learned not to assume anything.

 

I'm not going to search for the post right now, but yes, it was said so. That's why I bought FC3, after all.

 

Simply put, I can't answer your question in a way that would give you any idea as to what's going on :P

 

Cannot say I wasn't expecting that. :) I meant if there wasn't any official statement that I missed. Seems like not.

[Raven68]

They have been so far, and Wags actually said as much somewhere around here.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=108764

These updated FC3 aircraft will be made available for FREE to Flaming Cliffs 3 customers.

 

Other FC3 aircraft will be improved as well (like the Su-27, Su-25, F-15C and A-10A). When they are further along, we will discuss them.

 

Simply put, I can't answer your question in a way that would give you any idea as to what's going on :P

 

LOL!! That NDA has your tongue locked! :smilewink:

[NRG-Vampire]

I forget who's working on what. ED = F-15, Belsimtek = Su-27 or the other way around?

 

not too much official words around Su-27 - iirc YoYo from ED - but BST works on F-15 - that was on leaked BST webpage for a while

oh, and Wags posted an already deleted pre-info a month ago

http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=1918973&postcount=23

Edited December 2, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[lazduc]

Help, when to load on a new system

 

I built a new computer in anticipation of DCS latest modules. This was in August...5 months ago...I have not turned it on. I have been waiting for a stable build. Not 1.4, 1.5, 1.6. This has not happened according to the forums. I do not want to be a beta tester. I want a stable package. (yes I have purchased almost all the titles) I do not want to fight with every new patch and endless fixes that automatically load and cause problems. :music_whistling:

 

I want to be able to load all the modules I have purchased and not have a load of problems.....SO my question is what builds are now currently available that do not cause problems. If none, I will wait for the latest Edge build with the Nevada map. I hope that all the second party add-ons will be compatible with the new Edge... If DCS does not release a stable product after Edge is released I will move on to something else. After waiting and spending a lot of money on this platform and supporting this by purchasing most of their modules I am getting .....disappointed :(

 

I ordered a new 256gb ssd drive to be able to load the operating system(Win7 64) and everything for DCS and all the modules I have purchased.

I want everything to work correctly.

 

The system I built is a I7 3770, 16gb ram, 1200watt power supply, 128gb ssd (soon to be 256gb) two Evga 780 in sli, 4tb hard disk, 2 dvds, water cooled cpu...its getting old sitting. With the controllers and all, I have invested over 6k. :cry:

 

I have an older system that I have BS and FC2 on, that I fly. I do not mind waiting for newly developed modules....second party etc. But I dont want them to be full of bugs.

 

BECZL has promised an almost bug free program when it is released. I look forward to this......BUT I hope that it can integrate into DCS without problems and hopefully DCS will be as bug free. :smartass:

 

Just as an aside...the guy who lives next door to me works for a software company that does terrain modeling for the Military and other situational types. He has some very interesting comments about DCS.

I am afraid all the modules I have previously purchased in the last 5 months will be obsolete and will need numerous fixes, patches when I load them when either Edge is released or someone tells me the most bug free release todate.

I for one would prefer to wait for a bug free program rather that a number of beta releases with intermittent fixes with more problems. I do support ED and company for their work.:thumbup:..just want something without all the problems.

What say you????????

 

 

Lazduc :D

[SkateZilla]

I built a new computer in anticipation of DCS latest modules. This was in August...5 months ago...I have not turned it on. I have been waiting for a stable build. Not 1.4, 1.5, 1.6. This has not happened according to the forums. I do not want to be a beta tester. I want a stable package. (yes I have purchased almost all the titles) I do not want to fight with every new patch and endless fixes that automatically load and cause problems. :music_whistling:

 

 

Umm... DCS is still in Parent Version 1.2.x.....

[outlawal2]

Soooo you drop 6 LARGE into a new PC and let it sit and collect dust waiting on a PERFECT piece of software that has no issues at all? That sir is impossible... Software by nature is a never ending moving target of performance / stability / eye candy etc... Nobody wants ED to sit back on their collective rears and do nothing, but everyone must understand that every move forward or attempt to move forward entails a certain amount of risk regarding every factor involved.. There will never be a perfect piece of software with zero defects of one kind or other... Sitting on a hot rod machine waiting for Utopia is IMHO foolish...

 

My recommendation would be to load it up with the latest version and enjoy what you have! You are already playing the game on another machine so you know about any issues and can mitigate them as best as you can..

 

MAN I live by the motto, don't put your life off today in hopes of a better one tomorrow.. Tomorrow may never come..

 

LIVE NOW

Edited December 3, 2013 by outlawal2
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[lazduc]

I will rephrase my statement..."I would hope for a operational product".

Not.. 100% bug free. ( Funny thing, this morning I ordered a Radio control

system from a company in Wisconsin. ) By the way I recently retired from

Hewlett Packard....Yes I have done my share of chasing bugs and I know when to release software builds, where all the major bugs are repaired/eliminated. Meaning the build will operate correctly without causing gliches that impair the performance to a degree of being unexceptable to the level mandated by company standards. This usually means the end user will not have to trouble shoot any issues caused by said software/builds. This does not mean 100% bug free. We would not expect end users to have to address problems caused by the product or do our bug squashing.

I know that DCS products are mostly beta builds...but after many

revisions one would hope for a build that does not cause major system

malfunctions or many hours troubleshooting. Purchasing their releases and

expecting them to run without major problems should be understandable. Minor little glitches can be overlooked to a point....but after several updates these glitches ( which are known) should be eliminated, prior to releasing more code. Therefore you can have a stable build to begin with. :smartass: You release a stable build folks can go back to.

I do not wish to load hours of software and then spend hours

troubleshooting/online repairing (and numerous times unsucessfully) these

modules. As I read this forem I realize this software is expected to fail

in functionality. I would like to read where there is finally a package that

will run without the problems referenced here. If I thought that I could load

what I have already purchased and sit down and enjoy the simulation without all the headaches, I would.

There has not been one person who will state that my software will run

without problems and numerous repair sessions. I do not want to

install it on a new machine, new OS, new hardware previously mentioned to be compatable, only to have to uninstall it completely and probably flush out the OS completely or reinstall everything because of all the bugs. And as I stated earlier I do not expect to be a beta tester after purchasing titles that should operate correctly after numerous updates and fixes have already been undertaken.

I do try and live in the moment.... :smilewink: Lazduc, Thanks for taking

the time to comment. :D

[NineLine]

I think your reference to what you might have been doing at HP isnt very relevant here, HP isnt trying to do the same thing as what ED is, I wont go into the last time I bought anything HP mind you, as that is irrelevant as well ;)

 

Anyways, HP generally didnt try and build something so complex, simulating a combat environment, simulating a number of different aircraft, ground units, etc... HP probably bug chased on their own equipment and computers, taking out alot of the varation you might see if you take a small sampling of the ED customer base and all they varied systems you might see...

 

Anyways I could go on and on... but I hope you get the point... apples and oranges...

 

I will rephrase my statement..."I would hope for a operational product".

Not.. 100% bug free. ( Funny thing, this morning I ordered a Radio control

system from a company in Wisconsin. ) By the way I recently retired from

Hewlett Packard....Yes I have done my share of chasing bugs and I know when to release software builds, where all the major bugs are repaired/eliminated. Meaning the build will operate correctly without causing gliches that impair the performance to a degree of being unexceptable to the level mandated by company standards. This usually means the end user will not have to trouble shoot any issues caused by said software/builds. This does not mean 100% bug free. We would not expect end users to have to address problems caused by the product or do our bug squashing.

I know that DCS products are mostly beta builds...but after many

revisions one would hope for a build that does not cause major system

malfunctions or many hours troubleshooting. Purchasing their releases and

expecting them to run without major problems should be understandable. Minor little glitches can be overlooked to a point....but after several updates these glitches ( which are known) should be eliminated, prior to releasing more code. Therefore you can have a stable build to begin with. :smartass: You release a stable build folks can go back to.

I do not wish to load hours of software and then spend hours

troubleshooting/online repairing (and numerous times unsucessfully) these

modules. As I read this forem I realize this software is expected to fail

in functionality. I would like to read where there is finally a package that

will run without the problems referenced here. If I thought that I could load

what I have already purchased and sit down and enjoy the simulation without all the headaches, I would.

There has not been one person who will state that my software will run

without problems and numerous repair sessions. I do not want to

install it on a new machine, new OS, new hardware previously mentioned to be compatable, only to have to uninstall it completely and probably flush out the OS completely or reinstall everything because of all the bugs. And as I stated earlier I do not expect to be a beta tester after purchasing titles that should operate correctly after numerous updates and fixes have already been undertaken.

I do try and live in the moment.... :smilewink: Lazduc, Thanks for taking

the time to comment. :D

[Pepec9124]

Will F-15C have JFS ?

[Rangi]

Will F-15C have JFS ?

 

At this stage its just a flight model update, so no JFS or any aircraft systems modeled in more detail than they already are, as far as i know anyway. Will you be able to start the engine/turn on avionics without ground equipment? yes.

[Pepec9124]

At this stage its just a flight model update, so no JFS or any aircraft systems modeled in more detail than they already are, as far as i know anyway. Will you be able to start the engine/turn on avionics without ground equipment? yes.

 

I asked this question because A-10A has "working" APU.

[Raven68]

I asked this question because A-10A has "working" APU.

 

I believe the reason may be because some of the systems may be carry over from the A-10C module.

[lazduc]

When to load??

 

SiThSpAwN,

 

I do not have time currently to address your post but I shall. Basically to bring you up to speed on several subjects I think you will enjoy and appreciate. :thumbup:

 

Lazduc:D

[SUBS17]

At this stage its just a flight model update, so no JFS or any aircraft systems modeled in more detail than they already are, as far as i know anyway. Will you be able to start the engine/turn on avionics without ground equipment? yes.

 

Actually it probably might because it is AFM and AFM includes everything.

[Snoopy]

Actually it probably might because it is AFM and AFM includes everything.

 

No it doesn't, AFM only concerns the flight model.

[SkateZilla]

Actually it probably might because it is AFM and AFM includes everything.

 

No it doesn't, AFM only concerns the flight model.

 

 

What he said, Flight Model Only, nothing to do with other systems outside of FCS Specific Items.

 

Having said that, if you think you wont notice a difference between the SFM and AFM,

You'll be in for a surprise.

[SUBS17]

No it doesn't, AFM only concerns the flight model.

 

Not according to that interview that ED did on the FM in the video, AFM includes everything not just the FM but every detail of the aircraft that effects the FM.

 

Jet fuel starter

A jet fuel starter (JFS) is a small turboshaft engine designed to drive a jet engine to its self-accelerating RPM. Rather than supplying bleed air to a starter motor in the manner of an APU, a JFS output shaft is mechanically connected to an engine. As soon as the JFS begins to turn, the engine turns; unlike APUs, these starters are not designed to produce electrical power when engines are not running.

 

Jet fuel starters use a free power turbine section, but the method of connecting it to the engine depends on the aircraft design. In single-engine aircraft such as the A-7 Corsair II and F-16 Fighting Falcon, the JFS power section is always connected to the main engine through the engine's accessory gearbox. In contrast, the twin-engine F-15 Eagle features a single JFS, and the JFS power section is connected through a central gearbox which can be engaged to one engine at a time. On the F-15, the jet fuel starter (JFS) is mated with a central gearbox (CGB). The CGB has extendable pawl shafts that extend out to reach the aircraft mounted accessory drive (AMAD) mounted in front of each engine. The AMAD is connected to the jet engine by the power takeoff (PTO) shaft. As the engine accelerates to starting speed, the PTO shaft becomes the method to drive the AMAD during flight. Once the aircraft engine has started and begins driving the AMAD, the pawl shaft on the CGB returns to its retracted position and the JFS is shut down.[citation needed]

Emergency power unit

Emergency hydraulic and electric power are provided by a different type of gas turbine engine. Unlike most gas turbines, an emergency power unit has no gas compressor or ignitors, and uses a combination of hydrazine and water, rather than jet fuel. When the hydrazine and water mixture is released and passes across a catalyst of iridium, it spontaneously ignites, creating hot expanding gases which drive the turbine. The power created is transmitted through a gearbox to drive an electrical generator and hydraulic pump.

 

The hydrazine is contained in a sealed, nitrogen charged accumulator. When the system is armed, the hydrazine is released whenever the engine-driven generators go off-line, or if all engine-driven hydraulic pumps fail.

 

I think JFS could be part of the AFM but not something the player would need to bother with unless you had an engine failure. If they were modelling an F-16 though then the EPU would definitely be part of the AFM.