DCS: F-15C Eagle

[NRG-Vampire]

Military contracts are a web of subcontractors. Don't try to decipher it, it's futile. :P

 

ok let me start it again :D

 

seems very probable Belsimtek made Corsica and Alabama landscapes by EDGE landscape developing tool which tool (and EDGE of course) was made by ED :lol:

but who is AltWolf ? :megalol:

Edited October 31, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[Silver_Dragon]

Concord and Avia, I/ITSEC 2012

MI-17 Helicopter Training Sim, Concord and Avia, I/ITSEC 2012

 

 

AltWolf: http://www.altwolf.com/

 

A studio under partner of Eagle Dinamics on Mink

Edited October 31, 2013 by Silver_Dragon

[SkateZilla]

ok let me start it again :D

 

seems very probable Belsimtek made Corsica and Alabama landscapes by EDGE landscape developing tool which tool (and EDGE of course) was made by ED :lol:

but who is AltWolf ? :megalol:

 

See my post 2 posts above yours.

[EtherealN]

ok let me start it again :D

 

seems very probable Belsimtek made Corsica and Alabama landscapes by EDGE landscape developing tool which tool (and EDGE of course) was made by ED :lol:

 

Possible, at least. I actually don't know for sure. It is also possible that BST got a contract for an Mi8 and subcontracted ED to make the Corsica map. That way, even though ED made the underlying simulation tech as well as the map, they'd still be a subcontractor below BST and thus not show.

 

That's what I mean: we shouldn't even try to decipher those things. It's a web of transient business collections that regularly change between each project, so while we can entertain ourselves by guessing, the only way we could know for sure would be to have access to the relevant contracts - and said contracts probably have non-disclosure clauses attached. Meaning that the people who know aren't able to talk. And that the arrangement in one deal can be reversed in another.

 

Think of it like this: I make an industrial PLC system for control of machinery. Typically the manufacturer is Mitsubishi - a huge company. I get a relationship with them, and I score a couple of specialized applications for which I need them to make a few changes. They do these changes, and as part of the deal I get to rebrand the tech. It now carries my name, even though Mitsubishi builds the PLC's, made the origin system, made the necessary modifications, and I just did some end-user stuff on top with a relabel... It's my name that will be there and just because it's my name there we cannot assume that I developed the PLC.

 

All of that said: EDGE is made by ED. PERIOD.

[NRG-Vampire]

Concord and Avia, I/ITSEC 2012

 

 

 

...we design, produce Mi-17 simulators (not sceneries) ;)

...oil-rig: one of the scenarios we have (from belsimtek) ;)

 

oops: http://www.altwolf.com/ is down

does it start again ? :D :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao: like with belsimtek.eagle.ru yesterday ?

Edited October 31, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[SkateZilla]

...we design, produce Mi-17 simulators (not sceneries) ;)

...oil-rig: one of the scenarios we have (from belsimtek) ;)

 

oops: http://www.altwolf.com/ is down

does it start again ? :D :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao: like with belsimtek.eagle.ru yesterday ?

 

works fine here, and ED is listed under their "Partners" tab.

[cichlidfan]

oops: http://www.altwolf.com/ is down

 

No, it isn't.

 

Edited October 31, 2013 by cichlidfan

[Antorian]

Gotta have it!

[NRG-Vampire]

works fine here.

ok, now it works: maybe the site was overloaded for a while because of the link in DCS forum :D

 

so back to topic: what's going to happen with DCS:Eagle or with F-15C: DCS Flaming Cliffs ?

this is the question :D

Edited October 31, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[cichlidfan]

ok, now it works: maybe the site was overloaded for a while because of the link in DCS forum :D

 

...and some fine products they have, too!!

 

 

I wonder which one ED worked on. :P

[SchniX]

Agree that the main goal should be making DCS crash free, before everything, i agree with Maverick-X. but we want F-15C and F/A-18C with DCS Level too. we want all. (:

 

First, fix the stability and the net code, so that DCS will not crash\wrap at all.

And after that, continue with all the rest, F-15C, F/A-18C, maps, EDGE...everything..we will buy all (:

[SkateZilla]

...and some fine products they have, too!!

 

 

I wonder which one ED worked on. :P

 

I wonder if the darts have advanced flight models?:joystick::joystick:

[cichlidfan]

I wonder if the darts have advanced flight models?:joystick::joystick:

 

I don't know about that but their web designer needs a spell checker.

[KaspeR32]

Actually, truth be told, Atari has come back and are now developing the EDGE engine for an updated 2600 console... pew pew... Yo-Yo is doing the FM for the Ghost in PacMan...

 

How you are a moderator with posts like this really baffles me.

[Mainstay]

Voted no rather see the 18, 16 and A6 first. Then maybe the simlvl 15 but till then the Fc15 with AFM is more then enough

[NRG-Vampire]

How you are a moderator with posts like this really baffles me.

:megalol:

 

well if it's funny then irony :D

if it isn't funny then sarcasm :lol:

or "only" cynicism ? :rotflmao:

[EtherealN]

Agree that the main goal should be making DCS crash free, before everything, i agree with Maverick-X. but we want F-15C and F/A-18C with DCS Level too. we want all. (:

 

First, fix the stability and the net code, so that DCS will not crash\wrap at all.

And after that, continue with all the rest, F-15C, F/A-18C, maps, EDGE...everything..we will buy all (:

 

And how do you propose flight model engineers should help with netcode, or map people fix crashes? ;)

 

Each field has their own specialists, and they all need work to do.

[Raven68]

How you are a moderator with posts like this really baffles me.

 

Whats wrong with the post?? You actually dont see the humor in it?

[lunaticfringe]

Didn't you hear?

 

Moderators don't get to be people, too.

[NineLine]

Whats wrong with the post?? You actually dont see the humor in it?

 

 

My wife doesnt get my humour either... so I am used to tough crowds...

[Sharpe_95]

Sharpe, you seem to be under the understanding that aircraft selection is based on customer demand purely. It is not. Selection for development is very much dependent on availability of documentation, SME's etcetera. A-10C information gained through making the military DTS for the USANG, for example.

 

And also, being bored because you're not multirole? Say that to the tonnes of people that nigh exclusively flight Su-27, MiG-29 or F-15C in FC. Or, for that matter, the Su-25T. When I started the T-Frog was what I flew. Not being a able to self-escort against air superiority assets didn't bother me. Multirole is over-estimated in that department.

 

On customer demand? Lol no way mate. I think the phrase would be delusion not understanding if people think ED does what customers want. ED is a business, a Russian one at that and will do what it wants. Always has always will.

 

Operative part of my post was IMHO 'in MY humble opinion'.

-Sharpe

[KaspeR32]

Whats wrong with the post?? You actually dont see the humor in it?

 

Didn't you hear?

 

Moderators don't get to be people, too.

 

My wife doesnt get my humour either... so I am used to tough crowds...

 

 

I just thought moderators were supposed to stop threads from de-railing, not help.

 

All he was doing was mocking a forum member for believing BST is the studio working on EDGE, based on what he saw in a video.

 

But if that's cool with everyone, I could care less. I just hope they don't warn other people for doing the same thing.

[Kenan]

Whats wrong with the post?? You actually dont see the humor in it?

 

Agree. It was a pretty funny post. We need more moderators with a sense of humor! :D

[NRG-Vampire]

Agree. It was a pretty funny post. We need more moderators with a sense of humor! :D

 

why do you agree ? :lol:

do you understand ? his wife does not get his humour either :megalol:

so he's not funny but honest at least :rotflmao:

sorry Norm, you know im just kidding :D

[Raven68]

I just thought moderators were supposed to stop threads from de-railing, not help.

 

All he was doing was mocking a forum member for believing BST is the studio working on EDGE, based on what he saw in a video.

 

But if that's cool with everyone, I could care less. I just hope they don't warn other people for doing the same thing.

 

I just thought it was a good way to smooth out what seemed to be tense debate. Good, but tense. :)