Any lady pilots?

[Aginor]

Why I wish more women were playing it?

Well, I would love if I had any hobbies I could share with my GF and daughter.

 

Also acceptance. I know so many men and women who say it is boring, (and violent and should be forbidden), and also expensive and so on. They don't understand. They would understand if they played it as well.

 

Also I would love it if more people played flight sims. If they are women, well, that's just as fine as if they were men. I would also love if more men were interested. And more younger people. And more older people. And more... whatever, more people. Women are just the biggest group of not-flight-sim-people. They are not the only one.

[Vedexent]

More people? Yes.

 

Generally accepting? Absolutely.

 

Singling out a specified group? I'm not sure that's the appropriate.

 

As for the wife/girlfriend/daughter angle: maybe we just have to bite the bullet and find common activities with them, rather than trying to shoehorn them into our interests. I know that with my wife, the online community could be the most mature, well behaved, egalitarian society on the planet: she still wouldn't want to fly an Su-25. That's OK, I don't want to crochet, either.

[Aginor]

More people? Yes.

 

Generally accepting? Absolutely.

 

Singling out a specified group? I'm not sure that's the appropriate.

 

As for the wife/girlfriend/daughter angle: maybe we just have to bite the bullet and find common activities with them, rather than trying to shoehorn them into our interests. I know that with my wife, the online community could be the most mature, well behaved, egalitarian society on the planet: she still wouldn't want to fly an Su-25. That's OK, I don't want to crochet, either.

 

Well, I guess you have to start somewhere. Older people are harder to reach than girls.

 

Concerning the other points:

I gave up on my GF years ago already. She doesn't like flying but she's OK with me liking it. Getting her to try RPGs with fancy clothes and magic stuff wasn't hard, she plays GW2 sometimes and I like that we can play it together. We have common activities, I'd just like it if there were more, especially those that are very time consuming.

But yeah, I wouldn't start knitting either just to suit her, so it's OK if she doesn't want to fly.

It's a pity anyway.

[leafer]

I saw a game play video of one of those fps games, they were using team speak, where this guy was hitting on a female player. She kept rejecting him and the dude ended up crying, man. I felt really bad for him.

 

Found the video.

 

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[Vedexent]

Well, I guess you have to start somewhere. Older people are harder to reach than girls.

 

Um ... what?

 

a) When did older people become the topic?

b) Excuse me? You've decided it is bad to make stereotypical statements about female gamers, but "Older people" are fair game?

 

EDIT: While I kind of sound it, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, or confrontational here - my point is that (IMHO) you shouldn't be singling out any group specifically: women, men, older, younger, gerbils, houseplants, etc...

Edited November 8, 2013 by Vedexent

[Vedexent]

I saw a game play video of one of those fps games, they were using team speak, where this guy was hitting on a female player. She kept rejecting him and the dude ended up crying, man. I felt really bad for him.

 

I wouldn't - although I haven't seen the video and don't intend to.

 

Would you find it tolerable if he was hitting on you?

 

If she threw up a gamer tag like "Im_here_to_flirt", then maybe ... but honestly, do you think she was playing FPS to pick up men?

 

Inappropriate behavior is inappropriate behavior; you deserve what you get.

[howie87]

Oh no. I just watched that video.

 

Cringe...

[sobek]

being a woman, that just gives them that much more ammo.

 

Maybe not more ammo, but possibly more motivation.

[NineLine]

Maybe not more ammo, but possibly more motivation.

 

I think both, depending on the situation and person I guess...

[sobek]

I think both, depending on the situation and person I guess...

 

Beware young padawan, the white knight side is full of pitfalls. ;)

[NineLine]

Beware young padawan, the white knight side is full of pitfalls. ;)

 

Bah, at 42, I have fallen in most of them already at some point or another ;)

[SkateZilla]

I've flown with at least 4 women in A-10Cs on DCSW, One of them Lives withing 10 Miles of my House, and I Have met her in person..

 

The problem is when people find out it's a girl, they stop treating them the same, and it peeves them off.

Especially when some of the pilots spend more time trying to chit-chat and flirt than fly.

Edited November 8, 2013 by SkateZilla

[Supersheep]

I know two girls who play DCS from Teamspeak and ingame, and heard from one other.

Even if any more reason than common sense and privacy were needed, reading this thread alone is enough to not go into more detail.

 

Supersheep

[sobek]

The problem is when people find out it's a girl, they stop treating them the same, and it peeves them off.

 

This.

[BIGNEWY]

Here you go, for all you sad lonely men / Ladies out there

 

https://www.facebook.com/GulfstreamGirl

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheGulfstreamGirl

 

she is easy on the eye and has some nice aircraft stuff going on.

 

 

my excuse ( Im married and bored lol )

:)

Edited November 9, 2013 by BIGNEWY

[Aginor]

The problem is when people find out it's a girl, they stop treating them the same, and it peeves them off.

Especially when some of the pilots spend more time trying to chit-chat and flirt than fly.

 

This is true for most games unfortunately. I played WoW,AoC,GW1,GW2 and SWTOR and in every single one it was most annoying to play with girls. Not because of the girls but because of the guys who reacted poorly (in most cases at least, of course there were some really annoying girls in those games as well).

 

And yeah, it is embarassing for us men, and it is really annoying, but that's the way it is and I fear we won't be able to change that.

 

@Vedexent:

I brought up the older people as one of the other groups in one of my earlier posts, because some points that we mentioned conerning girls and women not playing flight sims apply for those other groups as well . I was trying to say that not liking flight sims is not exactly a female thing but something much more wide-spread. There are lots of groups of people that are almost not present in the community.

 

And I do think that looking at some of the groups independently will help understanding the problem better. As a programmer divide and conquer is just a strategy I'm used to I guess.

I didn't mean to talk about any of those groups of people in a negative way, I just stated how the reality seems to look like. I am aware that probably all of the groups I mentioned are present in these forums with at least one person.

But then the question is still: "Why so few?" and while some of us think they know the answer to that question for girls and women (we might be wrong in some cases of course) the other groups are just as important.

 

btw: I am not really against sterotypes. Some of them are true after all, at least for most people in a group. I am aware that those things don't apply to everyone in a group. Naming the few exceptions doesn't help to solve the problem though.

[Isegrim]

I did the Luck to meet two of them in TS during now flying DCS for 4 Years

 

1st early in 2010 Flying BS1 Well.... Was from Denmark

2nd some weeks ago from the US Flying SU25-T

 

Liked the first one more. :)

 

Both on =STP= Servers. (its not Confirmed Girls like =STP= Servers more than others).

 

:flowers:

 

 

 

ISE

[RagnarDa]

I think most likely reasons are simply because of the base rate gamer girls vs boys are more in favor of boys, probably because of reasons mentioned here, like abuse (see http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ for examples), and a very small minority of gamers plays flight sims. OTOH I think the flight sim community are a better place for women or other minority groups because gamers here tend to be older and (hopefully) more mature. My squad span the ages of 16 to 60+ but most are around 30 years old.

 

I'd like to argue though that luring females into flight sims would be a good idea because stereotyped activities (either gender-stereotyped or otherwise stereotyped) tend to be more generally frowned upon. See for example shoe-shopping, bodybuilding, or computer programming.

 

Good topic that I think needs to be discussed, even if we are risking stereotyping groups.

 

Edit: Also, about stereotypes. They don't tend to be true but they tend to be perceived to be true because of how we are wired (for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic) and they tend to become true because of self-fullfilling-prophecy effects (like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioural_confirmation and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat).

Edited November 9, 2013 by RagnarDa

[RagnarDa]

Btw, this is the first skin I ever did. Made it a while ago and hope everyone gets it the right way:

Download: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3709112/Equality.zip

[Vedexent]

 

@Vedexent: And I do think that looking at some of the groups independently will help understanding the problem better. As a programmer divide and conquer is just a strategy I'm used to I guess.

I didn't mean to talk about any of those groups of people in a negative way, I just stated how the reality seems to look like. I am aware that probably all of the groups I mentioned are present in these forums with at least one person.

 

...

 

btw: I am not really against sterotypes. Some of them are true after all, at least for most people in a group. I am aware that those things don't apply to everyone in a group. Naming the few exceptions doesn't help to solve the problem though.

 

Oh I agree that specific analysis is a good idea - but to continue the programming metaphor, sometimes you write really specific algorithm specific code (like assembler), sometimes you write a whole high-level reusable library or framework (like the "batteries included" approach in Python).

 

I think the alienating influences are general enough to many groups, that they fall under the same "class", but that doesn't mean that a more specific solution for any one group is bad.

 

When it's all said and done, it sounds to me that we both have the same goals here, so nit-picking about the minutiae of the actual solution approach probably isn't helpful: Nolo Contendere :)

[Stickers]

This is actually a good question. I have found the DCS community to be much more open minded and mature compared to most gaming communities I run in.

 

My guess is, there are indeed DCS female pilots out there, but perhaps they do not play much online or surf these forums. I know we have a diverse international community playing and most likely a multitude of other walks of life we all identify with.

 

As much as I would loose my shit if I met a girl who plays DCS where I live today, I've never actually met anyone in real life who plays DCS like I do. I have friends who play a lot of games, but none of them play flight sims.

[leafer]

ALright. Alright. Man. I am a girl. sigh...

[159th_Viper]

ALright. Alright. Man. I am a girl. sigh...

 

About time you came clean, Leaferina.

 

 

:P

[sobek]

ALright. Alright. Man. I am a girl. sigh...

 

Since when? :)

[Supersheep]

You know that Sobek made a joke when nobody realizes he was joking.

 

:D