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[Neon67]

Dear ED

 

I noticed that the russian military had a ka-52 and su-35 simulator running on FC /DCS engine, and i supposed you probably were involved in its developement.

 

So i was wondering, and i'm probably not the only one, if those could be released to the public in a near futur like DCS A10C :joystick:, or not cause of military secrecy :cry: ?

 

 

It would be great to get an official answer :thumbup:

 

thanks

Edited November 26, 2013 by Neon67

[Linx]

Any links, videos or pictures?

[Neon67]

http://englishrussia.com/2013/11/13/procedure-trainer-of-su-35-fighter/

 

 

 

and for the ka-52

 

[159th_Falcon]

Mind you, video is from 2011.

Wags already stated this year that the KA-52 will not be released. Certainly not anytime soon.

(well, he said they won't be making a DCS KA-52, result is the same though)

 

Also note that the same most likely apply's to the SU-35.

[Neon67]

Mind you, video is from 2011.

Wags already stated this year that the KA-52 will not be released. Certainly not anytime soon.

(well, he said they won't be making a DCS KA-52, result is the same though)

 

Also note that the same most likely apply's to the SU-35.

 

Oh i wasnt aware of that, really sad to hear it :cry:

[Silver_Dragon]

Not only have the problem of a military product can turn to the entrainment market. They need to be approved by the Russian Defense Ministry, no vulnerably the official military secret law of Russia and the host company (CSTS Dinamika, Suhkoi) approve them. .

Edited November 26, 2013 by Silver_Dragon

[Pelmo]

I now understand the developmental delays of the map of Nevada and the rest of the software (bug correction, development of new modules ..)

The ED is working in parallel with the development of military simulators for the Russian Air Force and clearly give priority to them ..

[Neon67]

Not only have the problem of a military product can turn to the entrainment market. They need to be approved by the Russian Defense Ministry, no vulnerably the official military secret law of Russia and the host company (CSTS Dinamika, Suhkoi) approve them. .

 

 

It went throught with the ka-50, yes still they were only prototypes, but it still a big part based to make the dual sit version

[Darkwolf]

Maybe we'll get it in 2030. . . . :music_whistling::thumbup:

 

 

I don't see a negative thing that ED develop for the military. Sometime it end up with pearls like DCS : A10C. :smartass:

[sobek]

Do we even know that ED contributed to these simulators?

[msalama]

a ka-52 and su-35 simulator running on FC /DCS engine

 

Nothing in the Ka-52 news clip implies that it's based on ED technology. Or am I just not seeing something?

[GGTharos]

The Ka-52 is not a dual-sit version of the Ka-50. It is a completely different helicopter.

 

The Ka-50 you have in the sim is 80's technology, the Ka-52 back then was envisioned as the command post for the Ka-50.

 

Today's Ka-52 is a modern attack helicopter that has nothing in common with the Ka-50 other than a similar-looking rotor system and perhaps some fuselage design.

 

That things 'went through' for one aircraft or another, means absolutely nothing for other aircraft.

 

It went throught with the ka-50, yes still they were only prototypes, but it still a big part based to make the dual sit version

[SkateZilla]

Didnt we cover this already in the EDGE Thread?

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1928068&postcount=3153

 

None of the Content in those videos is representative of upcoming Modules or 3rd Party Modules.

 

They Are Simply Earlier Versions of EDGE running on Different Simulation platforms being used by other companies for training.

 

So dont go Posting DCS:KA-52, DCS:AV-8x, DCS: Whatever.

 

These maps are Commercial Property belonging to other Companies.

 

 

 

Correct. The only thing that should be taken away from those videos is how EDGE models maps. Even so, maps could greatly vary in their look based on elevation mesh detail, art-generated vs satellite generated textures, texture resolution, object population, etc.

Edited November 26, 2013 by SkateZilla

[winchesterdelta1]

What if we ask Putin nicely? He seems to be in a good mood lately :)

[Lucas_From_Hell]

What if we ask Putin nicely? He seems to be in a good mood lately :)

 

In a great mood …unless you're gay, from the EU (particularly if you're Swedish), or in any way involved with NATO. Oh, and I forgot, if you're not Russian, you'll be denied service and human rights too.

 

So I wouldn't be so sure :music_whistling:

 

Anyhow, as pointed out before they're entirely different technologies and the technology demonstrated does not in any way indicate future entertainment titles.

 

If hypothetically there was enough information on the Ka-52 publicly available (hardly possible) a committed third party could in theory try their hand at it.

 

In theory, of course. :)

[winchesterdelta1]

:) ;)

[Svend_Dellepude]

…and don't mention Greenpeace!! :music_whistling:

[Darkwolf]

Even tho they weren't any official confirmation, chances are yes. The screens really smell and fell like it. :smartass:

[GGTharos]

Chances are about the same as that of a snowball in hell ;)

 

Even tho they weren't any official confirmation, chances are yes. The screens really smell and fell like it. :smartass:

[Neon67]

Chances are really high that ED did those, as they were always doing pro contracts, that gave birth to dcs a10c as the us army agreed to release it minus some stuff .

 

I would have hoped it would have been the same for the ka-52 even if it has a lot of differents tech in it, but its still based on the ka-50 design, which is availlable.

 

Engine must be almost the same, same kind of switch, combat avionics , ground and weather radar has been integrated, with night and day capabilities . And armement aswell , air to air, schturm .

 

It sounds to me that the actual ka-52 is an evolution from the ka-50 protoype

 

Today's Ka-52 is a modern attack helicopter that has nothing in common with the Ka-50 other than a similar-looking rotor system and perhaps some fuselage design.

[NineLine]

From the sounds of it though, the Russian Military is less inclined to share stuff like this... if that was who the contract was for, then I wouldnt hold my breath, or place any snowballs in hell.... (of course that is, even if it was ED that did these, or had a part in it)

 

Chances are really high that ED did those, as they were always doing pro contracts, that gave birth to dcs a10c as the us army agreed to release it minus some stuff .

 

I would have hoped it would have been the same for the ka-52 even if it has a lot of differents tech in it, but its still based on the ka-50 design, which is availlable.

 

Engine must be almost the same, same kind of switch, combat avionics , ground and weather radar has been integrated, with night and day capabilities . And armement aswell , air to air, schturm .

 

It sounds to me that the actual ka-52 is an evolution from the ka-50 protoype

[GGTharos]

Chances are really high that ED did those, as they were always doing pro contracts, that gave birth to dcs a10c as the us army agreed to release it minus some stuff .

 

ED didn't do a Ka-52 (that I know of). They may have licensed their terrain, or rendering engine to a company that did.

 

I would have hoped it would have been the same for the ka-52 even if it has a lot of differents tech in it, but its still based on the ka-50 design, which is availlable.

They're not the same aircraft, and they have very little in common. There's nothing available for modeling a Ka-52.

 

Engine must be almost the same, same kind of switch, combat avionics , ground and weather radar has been integrated, with night and day capabilities . And armement aswell , air to air, schturm .

That's like saying that a MiG-21 and an F-16A are almost the same thing. I don't see how you get from '80's Ka-50' to 'Ka-52 must be similar' after stating the gigantic difference in avionics of the two aircraft. The cockpits don't even resemble each other.

 

It sounds to me that the actual ka-52 is an evolution from the ka-50 protoype

Then read what's been written again: The Ka-52 was originally intended as a command post for the 80's era Ka-50. Today's Ka-52 is a completely different aircraft that no longer resembles that role in any way, shape or form. It is now a modern attack helicopter.

[Neon67]

but on the other hand , they released all (well almost) for the ka-50 as the production were cancelled . I bet ED was doing a simulator for the army then released it with approval from Moscow

[GGTharos]

ED probably did the simulator for Kamov, not the army. It may have ended up with the army through Kamov though - but those aren't details we'll be told I suspect.

 

but on the other hand , they released all (well almost) for the ka-50 as the production were cancelled . I bet ED was doing a simulator for the army then released it with approval from Moscow

[cichlidfan]

I bet ED was doing a simulator for the army then released it with approval from Moscow

 

The folks in Vegas dearly love people who are willing to make wagers without any actual facts. ;)