DCS World or Helicopter World

[Rikus]

We still don´t know nothing about DCS F18, so 50 dollars that this year we wont see it.

 

My bet is at the end of 2015 to fly DCS F18

[badger66]

but did you know how close the Huey was before it was announced, and when the Huey was sprung on you, what was your guess for the interval to the next chopper ?

 

Never thought about it that way before ..... very interesting to ponder :)

[Dr. Yes]

zombies mode? :)

 

:megalol:

[Dr. Yes]

At this point many wouldn't mind if it's FC3 fidelity.

 

I would! If I wanted less than full fidelity, I could just go play Arma. I'm just hoping EDGE and a good map editor come out soon for now.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Dr. Yes

[Scarecrow]

I agree with the OP. ED have made some modules but not others.

 

What kind of madness is this; I demand stuff, plenty of stuff and it should be stuff I like delivered in the next four months with no bugs and total accuracy. Anything less will be a total betrayal of the community and signal the Death Knell for Eagle Dynamics business.

 

This is your final warning ED! :smilewink: jk

[Cyb0rg]

Bright? not see nothing bright having a supersonic Stone Age

 

 

yes the F18 will be really bright but not mig-21

 

 

ie we have to wait five years until the F-18 be completed

 

Would prefer a HIFI stone age supersonic then a LOFI modern jet.

[karambiatos]

I would! If I wanted less than full fidelity, I could just go play Arma. I'm just hoping EDGE and a good map editor come out soon for now.

arma has fidelity? Thats news to me.

[JayPee]

DCS World or Helicopter World

 

Would prefer a HIFI stone age supersonic then a LOFI modern jet.

 

 

Same here, definitely. Though taking it up against an AI F-18E in a Mig-21 because hifi modeling of modern ACFT is impossible due to classified information seems weird, if not difficult to survive.

Edited January 7, 2014 by JayPee

[cichlidfan]

Baffled by OP.

 

Why do people think fast jets define DCS World?

 

That is just the way things work. ROF has about 30 aircraft, but apparently they aren't the right ones either. :D

[joey45]

We still don´t know nothing about DCS F18, so 50 dollars that this year we wont see it.

 

My bet is at the end of 2015 to fly DCS F18

 

No info until (very) later this year and Wags did say not in 2014.

[Jimbolya]

Not to minimize anyone's arguments, but I've been in the poor house for the past 5 years while I raised my kids alone as a single and went back to school. I'm in CyberSec now so I'm pretty geek and proud of it, and from what I see from development standpoint is that ED, DCS, and Third Parties have had this thing hanging on for quite sometime in a market that caters to the "dumb" down players. I'm tickled pink to death that I was just recently able to afford a new rig that can actually play this sim, and to know that it's becoming the closest thing to Jane's Fighters Anthology is just awsome! Keep it going! I hope they actually do a Nam era landscape so we can bring Yankee Air Station back online lol.

[112th_Rossi]

I love all the speculation in these forums. Most of it all negative. It's quite depressing.

 

Well not love exactly...

[outlawal2]

I love all the speculation in these forums. Most of it all negative. It's quite depressing.

 

Well not love exactly...

 

 

I guess it is human nature.. We want what we want and in this digital age we want it NOW... I try to fight that tendency myself but am not always successful at it... :music_whistling:

 

Anyway, my prediction is that once ONE of these fast jet AFM's is released, everyone will OOH and AHH for about ....

 

27 seconds...

 

And then they will start wailing for the next one to be released... :thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

Anyway, my prediction is that once ONE of these fast jet AFM's is released, everyone will OOH and AHH for about ....

 

27 seconds...

 

And then they will start wailing for the next one to be released... :thumbup:

 

Yes, but after only 10 seconds they will start to tell ED what is wrong with it and why it was not the correct 'fast jet'.

[SkateZilla]

About to be Chit-Chat bound.

[Dejjvid]

ED must complete edge and the other related projects before they can push the F/A-18. I don't think the current engine supports a modelled ground radar. Doing it the easy way is not an option. And I'm pretty confident air-to-air radars are pretty far off from real world performance in the current engine.

[blksolo]

I think a DCS level F-18C is at LEAST 2 years out,they havent even started on it yet.

Edited January 9, 2014 by blksolo

[G00dnight]

I must admit when I read the OP's heading I thought, Ah someone else like me upset by the over helifying of DCS but reading through the thread it seems I may have the wrong Idea,

I first bought Blackshark looking for a replacement for Gunship!. anyone remember that ?. anyhow I loved BS1 it ticked nearly all the boxes, At that time ED were talking about A10, Nevada ( whatever happened to that they had my money but nothing came). Yes I know they said it would be free but we all pay in the long run.

since then I have bought every Module. A10,BS2,CA,P51,FC3,UH1,MI8 & DCS WW2 when it gets made, We now have 3 superb Heli's to play with 1 high fidelity jet, half a dozen halfarsed planes in FC3 admittedly now with upgraded flight models & a WW2 prop fighter that is fun but can be a bitch to fly ( like anything).

 

In conclusion DCS/ED have given the community a lot in the past few years but not what everyone wanted hey you cant please everyone right but I cant help feeling they have missed big opertunities, Nevada/EDGE being one of the biggest, They said years ago the next dcs module would be an American fighter everyone started speculating F15,F16,F18 etc nobody thought they meant P51.

I like DCS,I like the module idea, I like what they have done so far Heliworld no I don't think so not yet anyway..

[howie87]

Helicopters have a place in DCS but we desperately need a modern, fast jet.

 

We know it and ED knows it.

 

The problem is they're complicated, they have radar and supersonic flight regimes, guided and unguided air-to-air and air-to-ground weaponary, Data links etc.

 

The simple fact is that it's much quicker, easier and cheaper to push out a WW2 aircraft like the P-51 and charge the same amount of money for it instead.

 

The only blessing is that 3rd parties are still making modules. I just wish Belsimtek would drop the AH-1G and turn out a more modern jet instead of the Sabre.

 

That would open the sim right up and allow us to perform deep strikes, CAP, escort, intercept, SEAD etc instead of the same old CAS and BAI missions.

 

Before anyone says anything, I have no interest in doing this in an FC3 jet.

 

Beczl is probably the best hope that we'll ever be able to fly those sort of missions in a high fidelity aircraft. Albeit one that's still pretty dated and decidedly Russian.

 

With everything else ED have on their plate, I doubt they've even started on the F/A-18C yet.

Edited January 9, 2014 by howie87

[blackbelter]

Just like most of you, I am desperately waiting for DCS: Fast Movers. :helpsmilie:

 

But let's face the fact (or my mere speculations?). The DCS community alone is not large enough to bring in profits to ED in order for it to survive. It is built into the nature of a company who only produces highly detailed military aircraft simulations: considering its potential time- and money- (think hardware) investments required to master the game, its user base will never be as big as that of more casual games. So, naturally, ED has to seek other means of profit-makings. Here I am thinking of those projects in which ED develop A/C simulations for other companies or the military. DCS: A10-C is a byproduct of one of such projects. Another is the Su-35 simulator that some of us have seen pictures of. That looked awesome.

 

I think this explains why the on-going DCS project are evolving so slowly. And I don't expect the situation to change drastically any time soon. Future DCS projects will probably come out just as slowly, if not more so. But one can hardly argue against such a trend. For one thing, it has brought us A10-C, and has hope of bringing us more awesome stuffs. It is unlikely for ED to obtain such detailed information of a modern aircraft were it not for such external projects. More importantly, it has kept ED alive for all these years (not that I know how much profit ED can make from DCS. These are my speculations, mind you :D).

 

So one has to choose between two versions of ED: one who spends all its resources on DCS and brings out a lot of modules, but dies eventually because DCS cannot make enough profits; the other ED spends quite some time on external projects, slows down the development of DCS, but stays alive, keeps the development of DCS going, and with the knowledge gained from its external projects, is capable of making even more detailed stuffs.

 

I personally would opt for the latter. :smartass:

Edited January 9, 2014 by blackbelter

[Dejjvid]

I don't think the funding is the issue since ED outsourced F-15C AFM to BST. I think the biggest hurdle is time. ED must prioritize government and business customers before us, because they have the big bag of money that's needed to keep the business running. Developers cost money, and highly skilled developers in this genre do not grow on trees.

[GGTharos]

Ground radar modeling is not an issue. EDGE is not necessary for the F-18. A2A is implemented just fine, but it can always be better ... in any sim.

Edited January 9, 2014 by GGTharos

[Flagrum]

If that is true, then what good is the A-10C. I have not read this in a while, but if the A-10C is an (ultra) high fidelity sim, then there are some aspects of its targeting, telemetry, distancing, and I don't want to say radar, that the pilot does not interact with, similar to other US jets with A/G capability.

Tbh, I don't understand what you are talking about here. Not meant to be trolling, I am genuinely confused about what you are trying to get across.

I.e. what has finalizing the work on EDGE before focussing on the FA-18 to do with the A-10C and it's implementation details?

 

One thing that has always been glaring to me is that this is an organization that claims to be essentially a flagship sim, but without the flagship. Like Lexus claiming that its flagship is the Toyota Camry. The approach was that of an upside down pyramid. The early emphasis should have been on progressively more complex current era aircraft, particularly aircraft with an air to air capability, consistent with the original title, Lock On: Modern Air Combat. The first part of the title also implies the same, the term lock on in pilot speak rarely or typically does not apply to ground targets.

Again, I don't understand what you are up to here. ED has no flagship product? What would be a proper flagship product in your eyes for DCS, if not the A-10C or the Ka-50?

 

And what has LOMAC to do with this all?

[SkateZilla]

I think a DCS level F-18C is at LEAST 2 years out,they havent even started on it yet.

 

Buzzzzz, Judges? >>.. I'm Sorry you have no proof to validate you're statement.

 

They havent started it?, yeah, so that shiney F/A-18C External Model with more animations than even the A-10C External just fabricated itself?

[badger66]

I want the HIND.

 

You want a kick up the Hind you mean .