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Hun is a cool aircraft, and of the kind that is one of my favorites in DCS. I'd really welcome one. It'd go really well with MiG-19, and seeing that 19 seems to have carved a niche to itself online and has fans there, it isn't hard to imagine that F-100 would fit about as well but on the other side of the fence. It would also make a quite nice fighter bomber.

I guess we do need a screenies thread for this particular beauty So here goes!

What EE will have on top of CE: - INS navigation system - Option for a better RWR - Aerial refueling The rest will be the same, no CCIP etc. For those you will need F1M.

Check the "issues" page on mod's github page.

I will assume that you are meaning the Super 530D. It shouldn't afaik. While right now many AI F1s have it, I am assuming it is a placeholder. It should be able to use Super 530F. Unlike what one would expect, F is the earlier and less capable of two, but it will still be a lot better than R530s. I think it is roughly equivalent to AIM-7F but not sure. No better heatseekers, same missiles. Also not sure about more countermeasures either. EE will be the exact same as CE when it comes to bombing and other sorts of ground attack. It will, however, be able to do aerial refueling, and will also have an INS navigation system. It will also have the option of equipping a better RWR. As for the radar thing, both the CE and EE we have get an upgraded Cyrano IVM, which isn't quite the same as yet more upgraded one on F1M, but pretty close. The radar we have is already capable of locking a target at a range quite long enough for Super 530F even as far as I know, and later when Aerges implements the missile, CE will get it too afaik. F1M's radar will have better air to ground capabilities I think, and maybe slightly better look-down capability. All things being equal, it has no business trying to BVR joust with anything 4th gen, be it a teen series, or Flanker, or even Fulcrum. But it still prove victorious with ambushes etc. Iraqi F1EQs did shoot down some Iranian F-14s, but they've also lost some of their numbers against them. No. None of the Spanish versions had a TGP, and frankly, as far as I know, before the much later Moroccan MF2000 ASTRAC upgrade, the only F1s with a targeting pod was Iraqi F1EQ5 and EQ6s, which had either ATLIS or ATLIS II, probably former not sure.

You should still be able to call up the radio menu, choose Ground Crew, and then Rearm.

Yeah, while I personally don't do online myself, I know that there are 2-3 fairly popular Cold War only servers, Enigma and Alpenwolf being the two foremost afaik. I recall Enigma saying they'll feature it on Blue side on the Caucasus map and Red on Syria map.

You've been in the forums long enough to know early access more or less never takes just months, assuming you weren't just lurking and was actively in DCS Hind seems almost complete, and that took slightly over a year assuming it leaves EA in one of these months. That is one of the quickest I remember in DCS since late 2013 when I started using it. Considering F1 will include 4 variants, and is the first complex jet from Aerges, I would assume it will take a bit, but not even devs themselves can answer the question you ask. As for a roadmap, in a recent ED newsletter, Aerges' current plans were shared: Finishing remaining systems on CE, creating INS NAV system and refueling systems to release EE, working on multicrew and giving BE, and starting work on M. If you expect a roadmap with dates, let me tell you, that you are expecting the wrong thing

Mirage 2000C is just getting retired nowadays afaik, and no, it didn't even get much in the way of updates from what we have in sim. So it's modern. You trolling?

IMO: - F-14, 15, 16, 18 as well as MiG-29 and Su-27: There's little point in comparison. If we assume everything being neural, these will win 9/10, possibly more. Doesn't matter guns only, WVR missiles, or BVR. Iraqis did have some success, but those were ambushes and still the exchange ratio wasn't in favor of the Mirage afaik. - F4, especially the slatted F-4E's we have: I think Mirage F1 will more often be the winner in WVR fights, be it with missiles or guns. Slatted F-4E can fare a little better, and it'll also have thrust advantage, but overall the Mirage will be the more nimble and easier to keep controlled bird out of two imo. BVR, is interesting. Mirage's radar can do *some* lookdown, from what I understand a lot more so than at least the earlier F-4's radar. It also seems to be fairly straightforward to use. But F-4 will have twice the missiles, and likely more countermeasures too. Unless/until Mirage gets Super 530F (that'll likely happen we get the F-4 anyway), with only R530s Mirage will be very disadvantaged regardless. With Super 530F though, they should be roughly the same, perhaps even slightly better than AIM-7Fs F-4 will get. - F-5E, I think they'll be quite close in dogfighting performance, Mirage will have better overall thrust probably. F-5E can use uncaging feature with AIM-9P and P5 missiles, this doesn't seem to be a feature for the F1. But overall missile options seem to be very close between the two. Also Mirage's close in quick acquisiton modes seem to be better. When it comes to longer ranged stuff though, F-5 just doesn't have any. R530s won't be overly useful against a vigilant F-5 imo, but once Super 530F is around, that one will be a significant asset in this comparison. Also, in a dogfight scenario, carrying those bulky 530s, or even Super 530s may end up being more of a hindrance than an asset for the Mirage. - MiG-21Bis: I believe MiG wins the acceleration and climbing contests between the two, as well as low speed/high AoA handling. However, I'd think Mirage's peak turn performance will be better, and cockpit ergonomics are also better. I do think there is a chance for this to be the most threatening of the oldie fighters against the Mirage in dogfights, but MiG is rather hard to fly well while dogfighting. So it'll take a skilled MiG pilot to capitalize on it potentially being dangerous to Mirage. When it comes to radar jousting though, once Super 530F is a thing, MiG will need to approach the things very defensively. - MiG-23MLA: BVR fights, I think MiG will handily outperform the Mirage. Maybe with Super 530F it will be somewhat more even, but overall MiG has everything that matters in BVR on its side: better radar, more reliable look down capability, overall better missiles, much better speed and acceleration, IRST system, medium ranged IR guided R-24T missiles... only caveat is normally MLA doesn't get any countermeasures, but we'll get the Iraqi modifications which bolt on some as an option. WVR though, I personally thing 7 out of 10 Mirage can handle it. In South African service, originally they didn't do well with rear aspect Magic Is against mostly all aspect R-60M equipped MiG-23s apparently, but our Mirage will have AIM-9JULI available to it. If you purely look at numbers, MiG-23MLA can turn ok, but getting good dogfighting performance out of 23 was notoriously difficult and while from ML on improvements were made, only the last version, the MLD can be said to have mostly overcome those issues. Mirage III: Shouldn't be too much of a problem really, with missile options limited to Magic Is, it may have some chance perhaps, but overall F1 was designed overcome its dogfighting issues. Draken: Sadly we don't have one mostly shares the missile issues with Mirage III afaik, though it may have eventually gotten decent AIM-9J and or P variants, perhaps. It should be an interesting match up, but I think overall Mirage would be happier in the fight. I don't know as much about J35 as I would like to TBH.

Yeah, and I don't even know if the radar on it is supposed to support Super 530F. I'm not so sure on that one tbh, but for now I'll thrust in Aerges on it, it'd be odd for them to choose including it if it wasn't viable, and leaving out 4 heaters. Obvs, the right thing would have been leaving them all out in that case :P. Afaik EE and EDA had mostly the same radar, and majority of all F1s in Spanish service had that radar version fitted to them even CEs, so I feel like fitting of S530F really isn't far fetched if that was indeed the case. It'd just be a case of "it could, but we didn't buy the thing", and there's even a switch on the armament panel that you're supposed to throw down for 530 and up for S530.

Yes, I'm aware, hence why I've started with "to each their own (biased preferences :D)" Agree with Raz's plans being some ways off... I am very interested in MiG-23MLA, Mirage III, English Electric Lightning, Pucara, Super Tucano etc, but it looks like anything from Razbam is going to be a while yet in future, what with F-15E releasing, and any remaining bits on existing modules getting ironed out, MiG releasing etc. Edit: I'd also definitely not say no to Tornado IDS and/or GR1, I prefer other stuff I've listed more myself, but Tornado would be quite cool too, same goes for F-111.

Which aren't F1CEs, apples and oranges, and I'm sure you know that?

A mid E and a late E was by far my most desired Phantoms, so I'm already happy, anything else is a bonus for me that may or may not interest me. That said, some naval Phantoms are indispensable to complete the legend that is this family even I personally am not as interested in them. But it's highly like Heatblur's next Phantom module in line after the two Es will be a naval Phantom pack, and it doesn't feel too far fetched an assumption that it will also likely include two variants to represent two different states of navy Phantoms, maybe a J and S, may be an early J and a later one, these options would be roughly in line with the time period of E variants. Or perhaps they'll do older things like B or N. I personally think, if it proves possible J and S would be the most interesting package. British Phantoms are interesting in their own way, but may prove too niche, as well as potentially tricky in finding the necessary information. If they are made though, I will most likely get them, if out of curiosity alone. F-4G Wild Weasel would be cool too, but EW aircraft in DCS still seems like a bridge too far, for now.

To each their own, but I'd much, much prefer anything else listed in this thread, including a Mirage F1 vol2 as imo just F1EQ5/EQ6 alone would be more interesting to get in DCS than more Harriers. Razbam will eventually make a gen1 Harrier or two anyway, it is still in their plans afaik.

Hi, latest version here: https://github.com/erdenizsanlav/Dcs-Dismounts/releases/tag/v0.9.2-beta allows you to add 7-men squads to anything using this function now

I'd say kind of. JH-7 seems like it leans more heavily towards anti-ship roles, but still there seems to be some overlap: both can carry boatloads of bombs to drop with a TGP for example. Also I wouldn't expect JH-7 to offer much in the way of self escorting if push come to air-to-air shove. PLAAF and PLANAF also have Su-30MKK and the more local-ish J-16 Flanker variants, and those imo are more of a direct analogue to the F-15E. Also, sadly I don't think we're getting any of the types mentioned here as flyables in DCS any time soon... probably not even as AI so... yeah...

Yeah, there is some myth and embellishment with F-104s widow maker fame but I'd still say it isn't %100 myth, and the aircraft, while interesting in its own right, isn't really the coolest thing around to fly in most cases due to being suited neither to any sort of dogfighting nor to most ground attack mission types. It is still something historically significant, and would still add something to Cold War landscape in DCS which is already becoming quite great. But it is still an aircraft I remain not that interested in, nor really excited for. I'd much prefer things like Jaguar, Mirage III, F-100, MiG-27K, and especially the Draken which, while may not have seen too much in the way of active combat, is an absolute hoot to fly and put up against similar throughbreds like MiG-21, F-5, F-8, Mirage III etc

I am well aware of this photo. It IS from a test though, as far as Aerges said, and we all know photos of something under an aircraft doesn't nearly mean it was a possible option operationally. Otherwise there are even pics of F-14s with AMRAAMs and HARMs, or Su-33 with a Kh-41 slung under it, none of which mean they should have it or having them wouldn't be straying too far off

Loadouts being tied to country selection is not a thing right now, would be core feature, and frankly I believe that wouldn't be a good core feature and it should rather be handled through variants. Right now, the way to handle this would be through payload restriction in mission editor, which is ok. But do we know if CG had a different armament panel, if not how did the missile prioritization work etc? I don't really see this as essential TBH, majority of the F1s, including the actually depicted versions used wingtip only IRL apparently after all. More missiles needed? Well that's a nice excuse to make those air to air torpedoes work then, they have IR versions too after all I wouldn't mind either way in the end, whether 4 heaters being allowed or not, but I really don't see this to be that much of a necessity.

It doesn't have an interrogator as far as I know. It's only a transponder to say "oh hey! I'm friendly!" to those who ask, but we can't ask the question ourselves. Same deal with F-5E.

Spanish F1s never had Exocet, and only version that may perhaps theoretically be able to use them may have been F1M. Even then though just a day or two ago a former F1M pilot said here that they had neither that missile nor the avionic capability for it on that type. Regardless though, it shouldn't really be a thing on CE and even EE. It really was a rareity among F1s. EQs had it, and maybe, just maybe ADs too, not sure.

I will now practice patience through repeating of Khornate mantras

IMO, the most meaningful comparison in ground attack between Mirage F1 and other aircraft would be with MiG-21Bis and F-5E, as well as the A-4E mod. F-5E vs Mirage F1CE: - About the same bomb payload. Looking at lighter, Mk-82 class bombs, F-5 can carry one more, 5 centerline, 4 under the wings, 9 total, vs 8 for the Mirage. Mirage however can still carry 8 SAMP 400s apparently, which are Mk 83 equivalents, and F-5 can't quite do that. Mirage also gets Durandal anti runway bombs, which F-5 doesn't have an equivalent for. Both can get either high drag or low drag on any bomb capable pylons they have. - Rockets wise they can both carry 4 pods under wings, and rockets themselves seem mostly comparable. - Cluster bombs: both can take 4 cluster bombs, but Mirage's Belougas are a lot better against most target types than CBU-52s on F-5. - Guns: 2 high velocity but high dispersion 20mms on F-5 vs 2 lower velocity 30mms on Mirage. Both pretty good vs lighter ground targets, neither of too much use vs any better armor IMO. - Targeting/delivery: both the same... either "use the force" and git-gud with manually hitting targets by eyeballing, kentucky windaging, or use tables and manually depressably fixed sight settings and fly a certain speed/altitude/dive angle to make the sight coincide with the intended target. They both have some control over delivery options like ripple vs single, but F-5 also has a small amount of choice in release frequency, Mirage doesn't quite seem to from what I understand so far. MiG-21Bis vs Mirage F1CE: - Mirage simply has a better bombload, and can still carry 2 air to air missiles while doing that, whereas the MiG has to use up all its pylons for any sizable bombload. Maximum MiG can get is either 2 x 500 kgs + 2 x 250 kgs, or 8 x 100 kgs and 2 x 250 kgs. MiG can only get 2 x 250 kg high drag bombs if it wants to do that kind of bombing. Elephant in the room is, though, it can take single tactical nuke for centerline, for memes AFAIK MiG also has an anti-runway option, but can carry only two of those. - MiG has access to a variety of cluster bombs, and they are quite ok, though, 4 Belougas from Mirage are still overall better in my opinion. - Rockets: MiG can either get 96 rather puny S-5 rockets, or alternatively it can get 4 of the rather very much boom-boom S-24s, and S-24s are cool :P. - Guns: MiG has a single twin barrel GSh-23L 23mm autocannon with a pretty high rate of fire, still a lot faster than Mirage's 2 DEFA 553 guns combined. However, 23mm has very low muzzle velocity and considerable shell drop in a short range. It is not too useful against armor, but can still be a decent strafing gun against softer targets. - Missiles: Well, MiG-21Bis in DCS gets Kh-66 beam riding missiles. They are more of a novelty, but are fun. However, IRL they were only compatible with older variants and Bis couldn't really use them, as the upgraded radar lost the ability to guide beam riders. - Targeting/delivery: Right now, DCS MiG-21Bis gets CCIP functionality with bombs, which apparently it shouldn't IRL. The module is supposed to get a workover at some point in future so that may go away. It is however, apparently still supposed to retain it for the rockets, as well as strafing with the gun (which it can't right now). To be fair however, I often opted to do manual level bombing runs. MiG gets no release frequency setting, nor the ability to asymethrically release ordnance: whatever pylons you have selected, they'll go whoosh at once. A-4E: - Little A-4 can carry a lot of bombs for its size, but more numerous options are lighter bombs, and it can't quite carry as many Mk 83 class ones like Mirage seem to be able to for example. However, we can say both can lug around a good amount of bombs. - A-4 can get a good number of Rockeye cluster bombs, and they are quite good. It also gets submunition dispensers like KMGU on Russian aircraft, however these only release tiny, more or less hand grenade level bomblets mostly intended against personnel. - A-4 can lug around an insane amount of FFAR rockets. They are horribly inaccurate, fan out all over the place, warheads aren't that great, but she does carry A LOT. Also, she can get not as many, but still a lot of Zuni rockets, which makes much bigger boom, and are a lot more accurate. - Guns: A-4 gets 2 20mms that have decent velocity, but their accuracy leaves something to be desired. - Missiles: A-4 can get 4 AGM-45 Shrike anti radar missiles. They are adorably horrible, but still represent a unique capability among the 4 aircraft in our little comparison. - While strafing and rockets in A-4 are also a manual affair, the same as Mirage F1 and F-5E, A-4 actually has a cool old bombing computer that allows a CCRP-like capability with either level, dive, or even toss deliveries, and it is fairly accurate! A-4 also has a plethora of ways to customize release settings: pairs, singles, many release intervals etc. Finally, while rather primitive, A-4 has doppler NAV system to help it get where its targets will be.