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I’m sure it will be tuned and that the developers appreciate the feedback

I suspected as much. I usually keep the Petro reticle on a lot, it’s annoying to need to turn to avoid AAA after a ATGM hits but then realize you’re short down is by closing the periscope

Are you on server that has it activated? Many deactivate it in favor of SRS

You are using short right to select a target?

I think the delay for ID is great, I don’t think it should stop Petro from ID anymore than it used to. I just think it needs some tweaking, like adding a curve to it. Maybe in areas with some clutter/trees/dead units the ID only takes slightly longer than usual, but then in like cities/forests we get the full 10 seconds or so to scan everything. Im pretty sure they are using the ground radar API to identify the number of cluttter

I request a mod to merge this thread with this one If we want developers to tweak it and make it more realities AND fun, let’s put all our feedback in one place @BIGNEWY

Updated AP guide with control laws/gear ratios of autopilot at the end. This way you exactly know what autopilot will do and when in precise amounts. I got these from translating the avionics maintenance manual, the AP performance in attitude hold/dampening/compensation can be adjusted by maintenance, but usually kept near these values with a 20% margin of error or so.

Yeah, it’s very weak. Sometimes I’ll just look at my left knee and move my stick in the direction the roll channel is pointing when in route mode to help it, or increase bank from the set 15 degree limit in route mode. According to manual it’s expected to have a course deviation of up to 5 degrees with it, or Atleast it says it’s working “properly” if within that error. It would be amazing to ask a real pilot how well it worked in reality. I would assume that doppler would be causing it to snake around a bit as gusts and imperfections in doppler reception happen That being said, its deflection for every degree from selected course is surprisingly low. I just did a test, on a course of 000, I have to set a course to +/-7 degrees from my current course to have the roll channel deflect 100% in route mode. Perhaps that’s why it says in the manual to expect a possible +/-5 degree deviation, becuase within +/-6-7 degrees of set course, route mode causes the roll channel to to stop giving full deflection and come closer to neutral.

Yes, that a believable scenario. I’m sure there are flap designs out there that don’t behave like this, but if it’s a simple barn door flap I’m pretty sure this applies pretty universally

Hey I watched the track and flew myself. Not sure what you were seeing. When you flew heading 006, the roll channel was giving left output trying to get you back to heading 000. You also had 2 degrees of left drift at the time so the deflection was small. After trimming and returning to 000, the roll channel Now went close to 0, as when the roll channel is neutral is when route mode is telling you “on desired heading per route mode.” I think you were overpowering it when you were at 006. After the trim press the stick was slightly deflected more towards the left than before pressing trim. In such a case; the manual recommends using the trim hat until roll channel is center. I have pictures but they are too big too send, but you can see it by seeing the roll channel deflection after pressing route and how the stick position changes after trim I think that’s caused by the autopilot only using proportional/integrative functions and not derivative. If it had derivative, it would know to give more deflection if it wasn’t on the selected heading. But with just proportional and/or integrative functions, it only knows to give output proportional to distance from selected heading/attitude (proportional), and to fight changes in angular rate over time (integrative)

Flaps actually decrease max AOA of the wing before stall. They just increase lift dramatically before that earlier stall. Many modules model this in DCS so expect so in MiG-29 If your slip ball moves to the side, push rudder in direction of the slip ball

Only switch on lower left of sight is needed in up position, that turns on CCIP and seeing where operator looks. The top one/one above it isn’t needed though, it’s for moving targets and isn’t modeled You also don’t need to keep the target in the HUD. The periscope can guide missiles 15 degrees up, 20 degrees down, and 60 degrees to each side. To warn you when turning after launch a warning light “LIMIT MANUEVER” turns on at 55 degrees from missile location to tell you you have 5 degrees of azimuth left But with how fast the missile is and low flight time, you can’t really use the full +/-60 degree range unless you are very slow and turning at max 20-25 degrees bank

I have no issue avoiding IR SAMs. Sometimes all the flares in the world won’t help you but you can do pretty well with your 192 flares. Radar/SACLOS stuff is where you are usually out ranged and need to be more careful. Avenger/Strela/Stinger/Igla is a perfect opponent for it.

I find that surprising. My hit rate is closer to 90-95%. But I rarely turn with more then 5-10 degrees of bank while I have a missile out, and this is mostly on flat ground

Had a front seater mess with my fuel gauge with DCS BIOS bindings, should work

I think this could also help people realize it’s possible to break the Raduga

You press “down short” to tell AI to close the sight. Then “up short” again to open it, which takes a 10 second time to spin up gyros again If gyros are broken, you can fix it by turning off ATGM missile system for 3.5 minutes, and then turning it back on and waiting 3.5 minutes, for a total of 7 minutes

Well, Petro AI display should be beige when powered up. As other poster said you might need to warm up weapons if you haven’t, or if you have it takes 3.5 minutes. If in free fire, it should be green

Have you done the tutorial or read chucks guide/manual? Petro will guide a missile fine, but in order to fire that missile (get launch authority) you have to center the target on by our boresight to within 1 degree. You will hear a tone when this happens. As soon as the missile is fired you can turn to +/-60 degrees as long as bank isn’t larger than 24-30 degrees…. This is long but seeing it in action might help CPG guided missile, just can’t fire until you point nose at target, becuase the missile has to fire in the same direction the periscope/radar director is looking so it doesn’t have to make a big maneuver and is easily seen by the periscope/radar for guidance Think of it as an early heat seeker thar can be caged. It is fire and forget, but you have to point your nose at the target first……

It should be most similar to the Mirage 2000 site. I also think the 2.5 degree down angle helps make the experience painful as not only can you not pull much G, but anytime you roll towards a target the gun points the opposite direction……

Do this happen in beginning of the flight? It is possible to break the sight by rolling more then 25-30 degrees, and will cause the sight gyros to not point correctly

The floating pipper is the CCIP cross that shows range on the 12-3 o’clock range. When you put ASP-17 into auto mode, and put weapon selector to OFF, you see this pipper anytime the periscope is open, and it shows where the CPG is looking You have to get the floating pipper inside the 1 degree/17.5 mil circle on the fixed grid sight. You will then get tone and be able to fire Thisnis important becuase if you aren’t lined up, the missile needs to maneuver a lot off the rail and will spin out of control often or miss at shorter distances. It also needs to be close enough to the radio beam (which is coupled to periscope LOS) to be able to get commands and be able to be seen by the periscope (so periscope can track it to generate commands) By default ASP-17V is in MAN mode, where you control pipper movement. In order to see floating pipper move on its own for CCIP/ATGM firing, move the auto/man switch on bottom left of sight upward to the “auto” position You can always try the ATGM training mission again

Yeah, are you getting gone when you out the floating pipper inside the fixed net 1 degree pipper?

Do you get a subtitle in the top right saying “TARGET OBSTRUCTED?” Do you have R-60M loaded? Did you take any damage before trying to fire ATGM?

I have translated it myself and I also enjoy many Soviet manuals. But if you had read the manual I linked you would have no doubt about the existence of automatic bombing. Our Mi-24P has no adjustment of using barometric or radar altimeter, setting altitude data, or setting elevation used for bombing, neither can you set characteristic time or turn on or off a specific bombing computer. I’m sorry but there’s nothing more to say except that it absolutely exists, wether you assume it doesn’t or not I agree with everything you said about Yefim Gordon, SMEs/pilots, and manuals. I have read flight/weapons/performance/limits manuals for Mi-24A/D/V/P/35M, and even read maintenance manuals 1-10 for them. I have read everything about limits and breakage. If I haven’t been able to convince you, maybe some excerpts from the manual? Here is section describing CPG switches and components in section 6 I mentioned…. “The VSB-24 shooting and bombing computer is designed to calculate firing parameters and generate control signals that ensure targeted fire from a machine gun and bombing. To ensure work with the computer on the right front On the operator's panel there is a parameter sensor panel DP-V1 and mode sensor panel DR-V1. The parameter sensor is designed for manual input characteristic time of bomb fall, height above bomb burst point over target The mode sensor is designed to turn on the bombing and dead reckoning channel,” “Switch, WORK - CONTROL. When set to “work,” the computer solves bombing problems “RELIEF SWITCH for entering into computer the elevation of the target relative to the bomb release point, has three positions HIGH - PLAIN - LOW” ”switch for entering height in VSB-24. Has RADIO - MANUAL ENTRY provisions. When the switch is set to the RADIO position, the altitude value is supplied from RV-5, and in the MANUAL INPUT position, the altitude is entered manually on the Parameter Sensor” ”AUTO - MAN switch, for setting automatic or manual release of bombs” “LAMP to indicate health of bombing computer” Under “Working with the system” we have….. “The operator can carry out bombing using the computer or without” Hmmm this only describing the system not how to use it… maybe we should go to section 7.6 “bombing from horizontal flight”, “When bombing from a horizontal flight by an operator with the VSB-24 computer turned on, the aiming task is to ensure that the helicopter, at the moment of dropping the bomb, takes a position in space relative to the target that ensures that the bomb hits the target…. The problem of aiming at range is solved automatically in the computer. The operator places the center point of the KS-53 collimator sight on the target and holds it on the target until the bomb is dropped….” (“KS-53” is not a typo. That is how it is spelled in the manual, interchangeably with KPS-53AV.” That seems pretty clear to me that automatic bombing not only exists, but all CPG needs to do is turn it on and point at target, and pilot can correct for wind if needed. Other parts of those sections talk about how airspeed/DISS-15 are fed into it, so it knows airspeed and groundspeed. For manual operation it is identical to Mi-24P, set sight depression, timers as necessary. And drop bombs are right altitude and speed. None of the switches described could help with that or affect it, and neither could a bombing computer and switches for bombing help with the turret mounted gun Is that all a translation error? Have I mistaken it for something else? What mistake have I made with all this information? Is there some other explanation for why there is a computer that solves bombing issues and switches to control it and a section talking about automatic and manual bombing? Is there a better manual I am supposed to reference? If you have read then can you let me know?