Black shark, anything that annoys you ?

hi. i started playing black shark 1. is there anything about this game that annoys you ?

for example, i read on this forum that sometimes your wingmen will crash into you. now that is a big problem.

as for that particular problem is there a command that orders your wingmen to stay a wide distance from one self ?

anything else that annoys you ? thanks.

No, nothing ... as I don't play BS1 but BS2 ... :o)

Yeah sure there is a lot that annoys me about the KA-50, but there is even more that is beyond great! ;-)

If your computer is capable enough you should upgrade to the latest version of the KA-50 module in DCS World.

Yes, as Tietze said, if you can play BS2 instead (wich is essentially BS1 made almost perfect and DCS world compatible), just leave BS1 out of the picture.

BS2 is absolutely stunning as a simulation, as is already the Mi-8MTV2 Open Beta.

hi. i started playing black shark 1. is there anything about this game that annoys you ?

Sure, lots of small stuff, and a few bigger problems. Wingmen AI has never been a DCS strong suit. One moment, they call out targets like crazy, next moment they fly right into the heart of the enemy AD and go like "Two, SAM launch, 7 o'clock. Two, engaged defensive. Two, I'm hit!"

So I want them to break off their attack and get the hell out of Dodge (rejoin formation)... "Two, unable. Two, ejecting". Yeah, thanks for nothing, stupid piece of ****.

The Georgian Oil War campaign can be very hard and repetitive. The Deployment campaign is overall pretty awesome, but has some very hard missions towards the end that can easily lead to frustration.

There's a new campaign for BS2, "Operation Medvedev", which looks pretty good, but I've never finished it.

There's no way to communicate with a FAC/JTAC in BS, the only thing that gets close is to combine BS2 with the "Combined Arms" module in DCS World or use a JTAC mod.

INU drift is not modeled, so it's completely useless to learn how to update the position with INU fix points (unless you like to do it for the sake of realism).

So, yeah, there are a lot of annoying things, some of them specific to BS1, most of them are also true for BS2.

That said...

Yeah sure there is a lot that annoys me about the KA-50, but there is even more that is beyond great! ;-)

There's just no better way to put it. BS is an extremely brilliant simulation of a very special helicopter. I must have spend several hundred hours flying the Black Shark in BS1 and BS2, and except for a few frustrating moments, I've throughly enjoyed every last second of it! :thumbup:

The lack of an RWR annoys me.

Having a good run, good recon, good attack strategy.... Boom ! You die because of a radar launched missile.

Can't find anything big that annoys me about BS. It has been my favorite of the DCS series since I first flew it.

The wingman AI is definitely one that bugs me, but usually I just tell them to RTB and finish the mission alone.

The ADF-Frequency-Button should be corrected... the frequency you choose is always on the oposite side of the button....

as said above, the INU-Drift should be modelled...

The WIngman-AI sucks... but i dont expected that there something will be done...

Apart from that i´m very happy with this module ;-)

The ADF-Frequency-Button should be corrected... the frequency you choose is always on the oposite side of the button....

If you haven't already done (and preferrably have 1gb+ of VRAM) check out Ricardo's HD textures for the Black Shark, here the ADI-freq-button is fixed, black and blue version below.

Black version:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94081

Blue version:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1691470#158

I just remembered one more thing: Didn't the new sound engine in 1.0.2 break the engine sounds? IIRC the left engine sound goes dead the instant the right engine is started (or the other way around, not sure right now). Makes cold starts a bit difficult for a lack of audible feedback and is especially bad when the inaudible engine dies of icing or damage because only the gauges will provide feedback.

IIRC this was never fixed in BS1 (and was one of the more important fixes in BS2).

In flight my lower rotor almost touches the top rotor on the right hand side of aircraft.

It was ok in BS1 then it got messed up and passed off as natural behaviour.

It looks so wrong don't know how anyone could believe its normal.

In flight my lower rotor almost touches the top rotor on the right hand side of aircraft.

 

It was ok in BS1 then it got messed up and passed off as natural behaviour.

 

It looks so wrong don't know how anyone could believe its normal.

You are aware of the physics behind that effect?

In flight my lower rotor almost touches the top rotor on the right hand side of aircraft.

 

It was ok in BS1 then it got messed up and passed off as natural behaviour.

 

It looks so wrong don't know how anyone could believe its normal.

Quite the opposite, it seems. BS2 has it right. Here is an interesting read:

http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_427a.html

AI.

I don't want it to be smarter. I want them to want to live.

Are the grey plain cockpit textures fixed in BS2? They look like missing textures.

The rest of the issues on my mind are common to DCS and not BS-specific.

INU drift is not modeled, so it's completely useless to learn how to update the position with INU fix points (unless you like to do it for the sake of realism).

This was sad thing in BS1, and it is even sadder in BS2, because this lack of drift takes away some things which would be mandatory in MP with human ground commander/FAC.

No RWR, limits your mission posiblities and full war zone is really no go.

Shilkas or any radar sam wil rip you out of sky very fast :(

No RWR, limits your mission posiblities and full war zone is really no go.

 

Shilkas or any radar sam wil rip you out of sky very fast :(

The lack of RWR on that aircraft is a big issue for sure. But Shilkas? I don't know what would be the engagement process in real life, but ingame, I eat them for breakfast. That's, of course, if I spot them soon enough :D

I think INU drift was modeled in the pre-release betas.

I recall a BeachAV8R preview on SimHQ where he set up a hover and the Abris track went off on it's own random way.

I don't really care about INU drift not being modeled—since the satellite navigation system provides regular INU updates anyway, it doesn't seem like it would be a big problem day-to-day.

Are the grey plain cockpit textures fixed in BS2? They look like missing textures.

Haven't flown the Shark in a while, but I'm pretty sure those textures have been fixed in BS2.

I don't really care about INU drift not being modeled—since the satellite navigation system provides regular INU updates anyway

It doesn't. Don't forget that there is no bilateral integration of ABRIS. ABRIS knows about satellites and can read helicopter systems, but nor helicopter systems know about ABRIS, nor ABRIS can affect them. INU isn't corrected by satellite data, it is corrected by using preset correction points.

There would be some interesting consequences if INU drift was modeled and pilot did not do correction:

a) autopilot would drift away from correct route in route following mode

b) if targets were received via d-link, Shkval would be autopointed to them with errors, same would happen with preplanned or newly created target points.

c) there can only be 4 correction points and they can only be set in mission editor. You can't do corrections wherever you want, and this means that you may need to retreat considerable distance from targets just to do coordinate correction.

d) Drift is proportional to rate and duration of motions. Aggressive flying would probably make the need for corrections more frequent.

No RWR, limits your mission posiblities and full war zone is really no go.

 

Shilkas or any radar sam wil rip you out of sky very fast :(

This is like complaining that the p51 doesn't have a targeting pod.

...Are the grey plain cockpit textures fixed in BS2? They look like missing textures...

hi. i started playing black shark 1 ...

Hi OP.

Sorry dude, i'm gonna call you out for trolling, you said you had BS1 in Nov 2012 http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98126 and since then seem to be asking the same or similar questions frequently. There's either a performance flavour or a query about wingman performance in your posts. Here is a selection;

My apologies if you just have a really poor memory of your previous posts.

Black shark, anything that annoys you ? 04-12-2014

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122933

hi. i started playing black shark 1. is there anything about this game that annoys you ?

for example, i read on this forum that sometimes your wingmen will crash into you. now that is a big problem....

is black shark 1 OK ? 04-21-2014

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=123357

hi. i really don't want to download black shark 2 at this time because my PC hardware is old.

i play black shark 1. will my experience with black shark 1 be good ?

i really love reading the manual...

upgrade from Black shark 1 to black shark 2 ? 04-17-2014

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=123161

hi. i play black shark 1. should i upgrade to black shark 2 ? does black shark 2 have less bugs, did they patch it better than black shark 1 ?

thanks.

how stable is black shark ? 03-20-2014

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=121831

hi. how stable is black shark ? does it ever crash ?

interested in all versions.

i play black shark 1 with patch 1.0.1.c

thanks.

black shark 1, any good ? 10-24-2013

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116062

hi. i stopped playing falcon 4 allied force because it kept giving me the same boring missions time after time.

i am thinking of stop playing lock on because my A.I. wingmen die easily with any enemy encounter.

does black shark 1 have any serious flaws that irritate you.

i plan to play it in simulation mode.

let me know anything that you feel is important.

thanks.

setting up black shark + BS 2, HELP ! 11-25-2012

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98126

OK, i have black shark on disk and i want to download Black shark 2 upgrade.

what is the procedure ? do i install Black shark 1 then patch, then activate, then install BS 2, then patch then activate...