So, now the 190 D-9 can take dditional amno...

Cool, at last :). Looking forward to trying these out on stable version here :).

Edit : Now I only hope for some AB 250 & AB 500 cluster bombs :D. Dreaming is free right? :D

Lovely, great to see this feature has made it into the sim now

:thumbup: Thumbs up ED!

What's the caliber of that rocket? 180mm? Does anyone know? :O looks huge

And the smaller one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4M

Both are A-A rockets for mass use against enemy bomber formations (but can also be fired at ground targets of course :D).

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I wonder why the addition of those weapons isn't mentioned in the patch log? :huh:

And the smaller one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4M

 

Both are A-A rockets for mass use against enemy bomber formations (but can also be fired at ground targets of course :D).

This is why I love DCS! I already used Maverick against air targets and AAM against ground targets :music_whistling: Of course we will use that against ground/air targets!

210mm and the other one is 55mm, Videos of 190 D-9 Dora killing Mustang with rockets coming soon..

This is why I love DCS! I already used Maverick against air targets and AAM against ground targets :music_whistling: Of course we will use that against ground/air targets!

 

210mm and the other one is 55mm, Videos of 190 D-9 Dora killing Mustang with rockets coming soon..

They're not useful against small and nimble fighters!

But yeah, as you said, it's DCS... :joystick:

And for A-G use of the WGr-21, from wiki:

These weapons were also sometimes used against ground targets from late 1943 onwards, such as in the Italian campaign 1943–44, the 1944 Normandy campaign and during the Ardennes Offensive.

They're not useful against small and nimble fighters!

It must be! :D

But yeah, they aren't the best weapon to use, it's big, hard to hit, but if you got a hit, damage will be huge, exploding the Mustang in air probably.. But I am curious about the 55mm rocket.

Is the WrfGr.21 a real equipment for Fw-190D? Never seen a picture or hear about it?

Is the WrfGr.21 a real equipment for Fw-190D? Never seen a picture or hear about it?

From the Wikipedia article:

Aircraft armed with the Wfr. Gr. 21

 

 

• Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-7 and newer: as Rüstsatz 6 (/R6) modification
  

And here: http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/b/Bordwaffen/21%20cm%20Wurfgranate/21%20%20Wurfgranate%20BR%20Gereat.html#Bilder

Die große Sprengkraft der 21 cm Wurfgranaten und die dabei entstehende große Druckwelle wollte auch die Luftwaffe für ihren Einsatz, besonders zur Bekämpfung von Flächenzielen (Boden- und Luftangriffe) ausnützen. Nach einigen Versuchen, die erfolgreich verliefen, wurde die Baureihe Focke Wulf Fw 190 A-7 bis A-9 und D-9 sowie die Messerschmitt Me 109 G-6 / G-10 und die Messerschmitt Me 110 G-2 mit dem sogenannten 21 cm BR-Gerät (Bord-Raketen-Gerät) oder R-2 (Rüstsatz 2) ausgerüstet, aus dem die 21 cm Wurfgranaten 42 des 21 cm Nebelwerfers 42 verschossen werden konnten.

Is the WrfGr.21 a real equipment for Fw-190D? Never seen a picture or hear about it?

Probably never, like they were not carried by Bf 109G10/K-4.

but D-9 with R4M were used by at least one JGruppe somewhere on the North of Germany during war last weeks (months).

Is the WrfGr.21 a real equipment for Fw-190D? Never seen a picture or hear about it?

The D-9 is equipped to carry them, but there is no known operational usage.

D-9's in JGr. 10 were mounted with R4M rockets, alongside 190 A's that had WGr. 21/R4M mounts, but "according to JGr. 10 pilots, D-9's were not mounted with 21cm rocket tubes" (From Crandall's book)

So it's probably my personal opinion, 1943 the Luftwaffe search for effective way to shoot down US Bomber, because even the 20mm-30mm are lacking for punch against the Bombers.

They even try to drop time fused Bombs in the Formations as transitional solution like Gr21 because of lacking for better weapons.

The Wrf.Gr was mostly used by A7 Stormfighters with extra Ammor, because the Wrf.Gr make the Planes so vulnerable against P-51 with lack of speed sluggish flight behaviour.

Even the K4 manual stated switch and wiring removed for Productions Planes, the switch ingame for the Gr.21 was possible only in the pre production Plane.

And with the introduction of R4M, the flight test confirmed D9 and Me262 are 5 Km/h slower then without. The R4M swarm Rocked was much more effective then Gr.21, there was not point any more to used it, and that late war state the probably don't make wiring and switch double for a useless weapon.

There is no Plane in DCS currently that's used some Test equipment, for my opinion the should remove the Gr.21 again.

You certainly can choose not to use it, but I for one am not going to be disappointed by having more options.

I want to used it but can not found any Fw-190A in my DCS inventory :smilewink:

Options never bad, found Gr.21 had not really any use beside bombs and new G4M Rocket on a late Fighter.

But as mentioned that's personal choice.

I must say, the R4M's are rather nice to use.

Shouldn't the R4M rockets fire in a salvo? And not explode mid-air?

A battery typically consisted of two groups of 12 rockets and when all 24 were salvoed in an attack, they would fill an area about 15 by 30 m at 1000 m, a density that made it almost certain that the target would be hit. The R4Ms were usually fired in four salvos of six missiles at intervals of 70 milliseconds from a range of 600 m, and would supersonically streak towards their target at a sixty percent higher velocity than the Wfr. Gr. 21's rockets would

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4M

As long as we fly Fw-190s and 109s over Caucasus fighting P-51Ds and T-54s I really wouldn't argue about realism when talking about the R4M and WfGr.21 options.

I for one appreciate the added weaponry and am sure it will make the Fw-190 more versatile, albeit not better in combat.

Hopefully the K4 is also getting some additional loadouts in future.

As long as we fly Fw-190s and 109s over Caucasus fighting P-51Ds and T-54s I really wouldn't argue about realism when talking about the R4M and WfGr.21 options.

 

I for one appreciate the added weaponry and am sure it will make the Fw-190 more versatile, albeit not better in combat.

 

Hopefully the K4 is also getting some additional loadouts in future.

It's not like they could not use em. It just wasn't common.

The matter in discussion here is pretty much the same as was the one with Mig21Bis and it`s Kh-66 Grom. Both of these cases involve unrealistic weapon for the specific aircraft we got.

Whether it ever was possible to mount Gr.21 on D9, one can argue about, but until pictures or specific info regarding this has been discovered, we have to assume that no, it can not.

The least they can do is to "outline" in the manual what weapons of those included are NOT "realistic loadout", or there are doubts about.

At the end, you can always chose to disable loadout for your mission. Let`s just hope that argument doesn`t end up with laser-shooting sharks mounted under pylons. :lol:

Shouldn't the R4M rockets fire in a salvo? And not explode mid-air?

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4M

The R4M use a Contact detonator was not fragementation warhead because of the thin metall hull was rely on gas impact.

There was late version in test with time fuse, dont test it so far in DCS but should not detonate midair and it is also salvo fired rocked but still beta i think.

Another thing is that in the latest beta it's not possible to fire rockets if you also add a bomb in the payload editor.