Things are Pretty Quiet

[zerver]

@shagrat I prefer when things being done right, especially when it means DCS modules.

 

On other hand, I’m software developer. If I would tell my client, that this and this would be done at end of July, and then state that I will do that to September, but it will be done RIGHT this time, I would lose my contract.

 

Alright, Leatherneck is not my employee, I didn’t sign any contract with them, so I don’t have any means to demand anything from them, and I understand that they cannot be responsible for “promises” made by Beczl.

 

Still, it’s somewhat disgusting that we are waiting so long for this, especially people who put real money into this project (thank god I only “invested” 20 bucks…).

[Cobra847]

Can we expect A-10C level training tutorials?

 

I honestly have not flown the A-10C tutorials; but we do ship with a comprehensive suite of interactive tutorials for the aircraft.

They're easy to follow and should get you going very quickly.

 

I will be very surprised if they release this thing this year. After loads of delays, troubles of any kind, and even removing one of the most important guy from the team, I’m ready for anything. Even the license problems with MiG design bureau or some other legal stuff.

 

One would think, that this project was initially planned to be released in 2012…

 

The MiG-21 to be released back then was something of a FC-level hybrid aircraft. Since then; something like 10% remains.

Essentially you can say that real development on this DCS: MiG-21 started in early 2013, when things began being rewritten in C++ and the entire artwork was scrapped (save for a few small bits).

 

On other hand, I’m software developer. If I would tell my client, that this and this would be done at end of July, and then state that I will do that to September, but it will be done RIGHT this time, I would lose my contract.

 

I'm not sure you'd ever take on a contract to develop for an engine you have no inkling on how it works or how to develop for.

The learning curve, no matter how skilled you are, is the true time sink here.

 

I have been a freelance artist for quite a few years at this point, I know how this works, and your analogy is not applicable.

 

 

I find it rather amusing that there is still so much skepticism from some individuals. (nothing particularly wrong with that either).

The bombardment of info and materials from various elements in the next week or two should change this. At least, I hope.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Cobra847

[CypherGrunyev]

How about some pictures of it firing ordinance, some theatrical shots.

[streakeagle]

It is hard not be skeptical given the history of flight sim development in general and the history of this project in particular. Was it not just late January when a firm "no later than March 31st" release date was announced only to be followed a week later by potential cancellation of the entire project? I look forward to the release of the MiG-21 as much or more than I looked forward to the release of Target, Fighter Ops, or Jet Thunder, and unlike those projects I even put some money down. Of course, the money was thrown away as it did not get to the real developers and as yet I have no MiG-21 in hand.

 

When the MiG-21bis is on my hard drive and working as well or better than promised, I will lose my skepticism and hand over some money to comp the developers despite my prior wasted funds. Until then, all I expect are more delays and excuses.

[Cobra847]

How about some pictures of it firing ordinance, some theatrical shots.

 

[Raven68]

It is hard not be skeptical given the history of flight sim development in general and the history of this project in particular. Was it not just late January when a firm "no later than March 31st" release date was announced only to be followed a week later by potential cancellation of the entire project? I look forward to the release of the MiG-21 as much or more than I looked forward to the release of Target, Fighter Ops, or Jet Thunder, and unlike those projects I even put some money down. Of course, the money was thrown away as it did not get to the real developers and as yet I have no MiG-21 in hand.

 

When the MiG-21bis is on my hard drive and working as well or better than promised, I will lose my skepticism and hand over some money to comp the developers despite my prior wasted funds. Until then, all I expect are more delays and excuses.

 

 

 

Well I have to say that I agree with this feeling mostly. Also as it was mentioned earlier that a release in two months was a little of an exaggeration and that was posted in mid March. Well...here we are in approaching mid May. Add to that there has not been any WIP videos to demonstrate anything thus far from what I have seen here. When asked the usual "soon" response seems to be the only thing we get. No I am not entitled to anything although I did support the crowd funding, but it just feels like the can is being kicked down the road and my excitement level has dwindled somewhat. I'm sure it will be revived WHEN things start to surface...I hope

Edited May 14, 2014 by Raven68

[Paganus]

I have 100% faith in the current team getting this thing out very soon.

 

I would however encourage the team call it a BETA release the way ED do. I'm not saying release it a minute before the team feel it's done, just that I think it's impossible to release something this complex without having a few bugs hiding in it.

 

Not to mention all the individual WON"T INSTALL! / DELETED MY HARD DRIVE! / RAPED MY GOAT! posts that will follow.

 

I'll even go as far as to offer my early congratulation to the team for pulling it off.

[-Rudel-]

Guess the lucky ones saw my live feed of take offs and shooting kh-66, and a belly land. :pilotfly:

[Cobra847]

Thanks for the info, but gotta ask if this added content will have an impact on the release date in any way?

 

No. The campaign is finished.

[Cobra847]

Well I have to say that I agree with this feeling mostly. Also as it was mentioned earlier that a release in two months was a little of an exaggeration and that was posted in mid March. Well...here we are in approaching mid May. Add to that there has not been any WIP videos to demonstrate anything thus far from what I have seen here. When asked the usual "soon" response seems to be the only thing we get. No I am not entitled to anything although I did support the crowd funding, but it just feels like the can is being kicked down the road and my excitement level has dwindled somewhat. I'm sure it will be revived WHEN things start to surface...I hope

 

That's fine.

 

We're very close. That's the only assurance left to give.

Working on a video as we speak.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Cobra847

[Andrei]

Thanks for the heads-up, Cobra!

 

One question though. In the neighboring thread that talks about post-release priorities you mentioned that making campaign would be one of them. Which, kind of implied that it will not be there in the release.

 

Now we get a message that campaign will be there. Don't take me wrong, this is absolutely great news and personally I'm very happy. But if you had campaign completed, why did you not plan to include it in release? Due to copyright issues or something along those lines? Or did you just want not to give all the cookies at the same time, and just withhold OUR PRECIOUS for a bit? ;)

[Cobra847]

Thanks for the heads-up, Cobra!

 

One question though. In the neighboring thread that talks about post-release priorities you mentioned that making campaign would be one of them. Which, kind of implied that it will not be there in the release.

 

Now we get a message that campaign will be there. Don't take me wrong, this is absolutely great news and personally I'm very happy. But if you had campaign completed, why did you not plan to include it in release? Due to copyright issues or something along those lines? Or did you just want not to give all the cookies at the same time, and just withhold OUR PRECIOUS for a bit? ;)

 

Hey Andrei,

 

We weren't entirely sure whether the campaign could be completed in time for the release window; so we set it aside for a while and focused on other pressing issues.

Over the past few days things have settled down on the code-side of things; and Novak was able to re-divert attention to the Campaign.

 

It being "finished" is a little bit of a misnomer however -- it still needs some testing, revision of text, and eventually translation. :)

[Faith]

Cobra, can't wait for the new info and eventual release. The screens on the new website look great and I'm personally very happy to see a launch campaign included.

[Zakatak]

Campaign confirmed and updates next week?

 

[Dolphin887]

I would however encourage the team call it a BETA release the way ED do. I'm not saying release it a minute before the team feel it's done, just that I think it's impossible to release something this complex without having a few bugs hiding in it.

 

You caught my attention with your post. We will have to think about it from the patching perspective, StarForce protection and Eagle management opinion.

 

As for the 21 release, if it would be an utter necessity - it could be released in 2-3 days. However, we want to wrap it up properly, and we want Eagle green light. Bottom line is - the development is finished, we are adding features and polishing things.

[WildBillKelsoe]

it is before the storm :D

[Irregular programming]

Hey Andrei,

 

We weren't entirely sure whether the campaign could be completed in time for the release window; so we set it aside for a while and focused on other pressing issues.

Over the past few days things have settled down on the code-side of things; and Novak was able to re-divert attention to the Campaign.

 

It being "finished" is a little bit of a misnomer however -- it still needs some testing, revision of text, and eventually translation. :)

 

Will there be a way to get russian speech in the campaign (with English text)?

 

The English speech in su25 campaign is making it unplayable for me.

[upupandaway]

No. The campaign is finished.

As for the 21 release, if it would be an utter necessity - it could be released in 2-3 days. However, we want to wrap it up properly, and we want Eagle green light. Bottom line is - the development is finished, we are adding features and polishing things.

 

 

Wonderful, thanks for taking your time to answer.

Looking forward to the next fix of MiG-21 media. :)

Edited May 14, 2014 by upupandaway

[Sceptre]

the development is finished, we are adding features and polishing things.

 

Awesome, great news I'm looking forward to buying this :)

[Raven68]

That's fine.

 

We're very close. That's the only assurance left to give.

Working on a video as we speak.

 

You caught my attention with your post. We will have to think about it from the patching perspective, StarForce protection and Eagle management opinion.

 

As for the 21 release, if it would be an utter necessity - it could be released in 2-3 days. However, we want to wrap it up properly, and we want Eagle green light. Bottom line is - the development is finished, we are adding features and polishing things.

 

Ahhhh a new day and a new perspective. I like what I read here and I am resetting myself. The excitement is starting to build again! :)

 

Thank you guys for taking the time to come on and address our "gripes". It does speak volumes and helps the confidence.

[Aginor]

I fully agree, this way of communication by devs gets a :thumbup:. It makes waiting sooo much easier. :)

[Mrgud]

As for the 21 release, if it would be an utter necessity - it could be released in 2-3 days. However, we want to wrap it up properly, and we want Eagle green light. Bottom line is - the development is finished, we are adding features and polishing things.

 

 

These are great news! We all can relax and enjoy teasers. I'm really glad that, obviously, I'll be flying my favorite plane during the summer vacation. ;)

[ec-swr]

Working on a video as we speak.

 

 

 

[USARStarkey]

This thread wins the award for most gifs.

[shagrat]

Take the time to properly integrate it into the ED installer and shop! This way it is so much easier for newcomers and long time DCS players to acquire the module. I guess after the problems with the crowd funding, it is vital to get new customers for the Mig as easy as possible... this will help fund future projects.