Jona33 Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28354856 Not substantiated but there are rumours it was a BUK missile, on the other hand all the sources seem to be repeating information from interfax so I don't know how reliable it is. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
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Scrim Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 A defence expert has told the BBC that shooting down a plane at 10,000m (9.7 miles) would have required a long- range surface-to-air missile - possibly guided by radar. Like, seriously? Are there any long range SAMs that aren't radar guided? Where does the BBC go to find these "experts"? Any survivors?
Jona33 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 Like, seriously? Are there any long range SAMs that aren't radar guided? Where does the BBC go to find these "experts"? Any survivors? No survivors by the sounds of it, as for the experts god knows. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
Silver_Dragon Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 AlJazzira claim some similar http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/report-malaysian-jet-crashes-near-ukraine-2014717151147473508.html the aircraft crash near Donetz For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Emu Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Like, seriously? Are there any long range SAMs that aren't radar guided? Where does the BBC go to find these "experts"? Any survivors? And what does it define as 'long range'? A Buk-M2 is hardly long range on an S-200 scale but will comfortably hit an airliner at 10,000m. Is it normal to fly over war zones?
Jona33 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 And what does it define as 'long range'? A Buk-M2 is hardly long range on an S-200 scale but will comfortably hit an airliner at 10,000m. Is it normal to fly over war zones? Probably long range compared to the MANPADS you'd expect guerillas to have. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
Scrim Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) If they say that a long range SAM is "possibly guided by radar" I wouldn't be surprised if their definition of a long range SAM system is "does it reach the other end of this room?". Crying out loud, even a short range SA-3 could've taken down that airliner. I seriously don't understand how such a large, world wide news company as the BBC can't get above amateur knowledge on e.g. military technology, but still insists on reporting on it. Nvm, just saw it in the article. Edited July 17, 2014 by Scrim
Jona33 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 If they say that a long range SAM is "possibly guided by radar" I wouldn't be surprised if their definition of a long range SAM system is "does it reach the other end of this room?". Crying out loud, even a short range SA-3 could've taken down that airliner. I seriously don't understand how such a large, world wide news company as the BBC can't get above amateur knowledge on e.g. military technology, but still insists on reporting on it. Any word on how many people were on board? 295, 280 passengers and 15 crew. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
*Rage* Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Buk or a fighter jet.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22
genbrien Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Like, seriously? Are there any long range SAMs that aren't radar guided? Where does the BBC go to find these "experts"? Any survivors? I think they try to explain it to the common people that have squat idea of a SAM :music_whistling: Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb
ericoh Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 And what does it define as 'long range'? A Buk-M2 is hardly long range on an S-200 scale but will comfortably hit an airliner at 10,000m. Is it normal to fly over war zones? I can absolutly not understand how they let airliners fly over war zones, this kind of denial pisses me off. Allways someone has to die before they act....
Scrim Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I think they try to explain it to the common people that have squat idea of a SAM :music_whistling: Yeah, but when they say that an "expert" said that it was "possibly radar guided" it's different. I mean, if they were just trying to tell Joe Average who believes there are other things to life than knowing the range of SA-# system (I pity the fool :P), I reckon they'd just have written something along the lines of "long range radar guided", as opposed to the silly thing they actually wrote.
Emu Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 If they say that a long range SAM is "possibly guided by radar" I wouldn't be surprised if their definition of a long range SAM system is "does it reach the other end of this room?". Crying out loud, even a short range SA-3 could've taken down that airliner. I seriously don't understand how such a large, world wide news company as the BBC can't get above amateur knowledge on e.g. military technology, but still insists on reporting on it. Nvm, just saw it in the article. Would you believe me if I told you I'd just watched the report on the BBC and it was actually an IHS Jane's analyst who said it?
topol-m Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 All these talks about it being shot down are pretty premature IMO, unless someone has the missile flying and hitting the aircraft recorded on video we wouldn't know until an official investigation is conducted. Btw did anyone read anything on the pilots contacting air traffic control? That might give a clue as to what happened in the last seconds. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
winz Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) One of the separatist leader, Strelkov, was publicly stating, that they have shot down a plane http://std3.ru/ef/41/1405610146-ef41d7464b30da37118c8bf6c86d11e6.png That was around the time the Malaysian plane dissapeared. Also there are reports that bodies are scattered in area around 15km from the crash site, which suggest that the plane atleast partialy disintegrated in-flight. edit: translation "We just shot down An-26 (note:ukrainian transport plane used by military) near the city of Torez, the debris is lying somewhere close to the coal-mine "Progress. " We have warned before not to fly in "our sky." And here is the video confirmation that "the rain of dead birds" continues. The plane fell behind a spoil tip, the residential sector is not caught. Civilians are not injured. Edited July 17, 2014 by winz 1 The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
Emu Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 To my mind, regardless of what happened, the only ones to blame are Malaysian Airlines for flying over an active war zone where planes were being shot down, and a fairly similar aircraft had been shot down at >21,000ft just a few days prior.
YoYo Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) One of the separatist leader, Strelkov, was publicly stating, that they have shot down a plane http://std3.ru/ef/41/1405610146-ef41d7464b30da37118c8bf6c86d11e6.png That was around the time the Malaysian plane dissapeared. Also there are reports that bodies are scattered in area around 15km from the crash site, which suggest that the plane atleast partialy disintegrated in-flight. edit: translation "We just shot down An-26 (note:ukrainian transport plane used by military) near the city of Torez, the debris is lying somewhere close to the coal-mine "Progress. " We have warned before not to fly in "our sky." And here is the video confirmation that "the rain of dead birds" continues. The plane fell behind a spoil tip, the residential sector is not caught. Civilians are not injured. Right, they thinking it was An-26 (like yesterday) and they have a russian BUK system. ['] ['] ['] Edited July 17, 2014 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 5090 32Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
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winz Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 http://cs620617.vk.me/v620617799/11fe3/amxYLvs358w.jpg Photo from Snizhne today... How the hell did a bunch of separatist get their hands on something like this? The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
eurofor Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Edited July 17, 2014 by eurofor [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mwd2 Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 http://cs620617.vk.me/v620617799/11fe3/amxYLvs358w.jpg Photo from Snizhne today... How the hell did a bunch of separatist get their hands on something like this? They have capture one (or more) from the Ukraine Defence Force! Playing: DCS World Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815
Kusch Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Please change the name of the topic, the aircraft was shot down! Jesus Christ! Separatists boasted that shot down the An-26 and really they came in a Boeing 777! Edited July 17, 2014 by Kusch 1 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Scrim Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Would you believe me if I told you I'd just watched the report on the BBC and it was actually an IHS Jane's analyst who said it? Link? I just saw a clip with some analyst from that place being interviewed by the BBC, and he didn't say anything dumb along the lines of how a long range SAM system "might have been radar guided".
Aginor Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I just read this. Unbelievable. RIP :( EDIT: I guess the experts use the old rule of thumb classification (which actually works in most cases) for their statements: - "short range": Manpads. Everything above 10,000ft is quite safe. - "medium range": bigger IR SAMs like strela. Above 20,000ft you're safe if you are not damn slow. - "long range" everything above, mostly Radar SAMs like SA-6, Sa-10. Reaches "far" and "high". Edited July 17, 2014 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
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