Wondering

[lazduc]

I have been a supporter of DCS/Lockon/SSI-Flanker since the beginning. I have invested thousands toward this hobby. I have about 5000 in equipment sitting, targeted at DCS that I have never used as I have been waiting for a stable release. I have purchased all but CA. I have mentioned this before.

 

I do not want to spend hours trouble shooting software. I know that most of this software is beta versions and somewhat excuses the problems...but I do not want to be a tester... Thus I wait for a stable build.

 

I have one system that I have Lockon Platium installed on which I enjoy and runs well. My concern is this:

 

With the current build of 1.2.10xxxxx which has a number of problems and was released to coincide with the Mig-21 and I assume was integrated with the old engine and tweets for the Mig, what is going to happen with the new engine...Edge? (I also noted that a serious number of old bugs have not been addressed.) I was informed that Edge has nothing to do with the Aircraft and only with the terrain. But then I noticed that, that is not true.

 

This leads me to believe that its a ways off before we see Edge compatible with the current build of aircraft. And I must bring up the MAPS as the information I have read leads me to believe there are still a number of problems with Edge and Nevada Map.

 

I have also read that ED has around 200 plus employees. I also read that there main industry is Database Management. DCS is a side line and probably has a very limited program-hours support directed at this side.

 

It is no wonder that it takes the time it does to support the DCS titles.

I wonder how large the DCS flight sim community is??? I wonder what it would take to interest more folks in this????

 

I would like to see ED enlarging their programing pool for DCS for the obvious reasons.

 

I've read the posts on Vietnam...and Korea and other areas that would be ideal areas for this sim...and also read the tremendous effort to program a module with all the various components folks here have listed....

 

We as a community need to generate more interest in this hobby. Look at Star Citizen and the money they have generated....

 

Adding CA to DCS was an attempt to attract more to this title. But I see with a small core of programmers, it stretched this core to the point of delivering software like we just witnessed with the latest release of 1.2.10xx. I am glad we have the third parties.

 

Its unfortunate that the attempts to raise money failed in the manner they did with certain projects. I for one would gladly invest in ED/DCS in a fund raiser. :D

 

Lazduc

[Buzzles]

I have also read that ED has around 200 plus employees. I also read that there main industry is Database Management. DCS is a side line and probably has a very limited program-hours support directed at this side.

 

Where'd you get that information from?

[ESzczesniak]

I'm not sure why you believe EDGE is so far away at this time. A newsletter 1-2 weeks ago stated with some confidence a 2014 release which means less than 3.5 months. Considering some of the additional projects such as the NTTR and Straights of Hormuz map that are being discussed as releasing soonish as well, I suspect more like a couple months. I'd love it tomorrow, but having been with ED since FC1 and DCS starting with A-10C beta 1, seems like it's coming tomorrow to me.

[NineLine]

Most, if not all the statements in the OP are false, I would say all but I havent seen the receipts to know for sure he has spent 5000 in equipment for DCS....

[Art-J]

Re: employment, interesting question indeed. There are 50 few core ED employees mentioned in the P-51D manual (not counting testers). The list is probably a bit outdated by now, but I can't imagine increasing their workforce 4 times within last 2 years, they're producing rather niche stuff after all.

[shagrat]

Re: employment, interesting question indeed. There are 50 few core ED employees mentioned in the P-51D manual (not counting testers). The list is probably a bit outdated by now, but I can't imagine increasing their workforce 4 times within last 2 years, they're producing rather niche stuff after all.

 

Which tells you how many people worked on the P-51D, not necessarily who works on other projects in parallel...:smartass:

[lazduc]

Here is a subset of the information I have read....the rest of the information I have read is right here on this forum.

 

This page was last modified on 28 November 2013 at 14:48. WIKI

Eagle Dynamics is a software company founded by the Russian Igor Tishin in 1991. Based in Moscow the company develops flight simulators and Oracle-based products.

One of the company's core businesses is information systems and databases development. For more than 10 years we have been dealing with different aspects of this business: development of small local systems of different purpose, databases for web-servers, client-server information systems.

The main direction of our business is corporate client -server information systems development. These systems are intended for computerization of companies and enterprises activity.

In our developments we use standards, technologies and the most modern ORACLE products. We are a long-time, reliable and respected partner of ORACLE corporation.

 

 

The right management is a key success factor of any project. We use two main directions of software management:

•Administrative management

•Technical management

 

Administrative management

Definite tasks such as communication, work distribution, time planning and resource management are to be solved in the process of each software development project. Special staff solves these tasks with the help of a standard software set: MS Project, TeamManager, Exсel, OutLook, Access, etc.

Gant Charts for Flanker project

Gant Charts for Flanker project

http://web.archive.org/web/20080504075903im_/http://www.eagle.ru/eagle_pics/m001.gif

Technical management

For complex and efficient solutions in software creation we use products of Rational Rose family.

These products contain modern object-oriented development technologies.

With their help we split up the problem into separate components, model links between various modules, generate a visual model of the program, etc.

 

Eagle Dynamics is a Russian company which develops combat flight simulations for public entertainment but also has seperate releases for military training.

 

 

So....from this I gleaned my thoughts. My opinions...

 

Lazduc

[shagrat]

Interesting!

[joey45]

 

We as a community need to generate more interest in this hobby. Look at Star Citizen and the money they have generated....

 

 

Lazduc

 

SC is still in pre/Alpha stage and is a completely different kettle of fish.

[KLR Rico]

I have about 5000 in equipment sitting, targeted at DCS that I have never used as I have been waiting for a stable release.

 

 

I think that's called "Counting your chickens before they hatch."

 

DCS is playable as is. The only way it's ever going to be completely stable and bug free is if they feature freeze it, and I hope for the greater good, that'll never happen.

[shagrat]

And they are currently more "stable" than all the titles I've played from majors like EA. Most of the time, you get some bugfixes, until it works somehow, then it is BF4, BF5, BF6 as a "new" Game to pay "full price" with new annoying bugs, and so on.

Compared to that, you get major feature updates every few months, plus an ever improving and evolving environment for free!

If you wait for a "finished" DCS World, you wait in vain!

[rubblebeam]

Here is a subset of the information I have read....the rest of the information I have read is right here on this forum.

 

This page was last modified on 28 November 2013 at 14:48. WIKI

Eagle Dynamics is a software company founded by the Russian Igor Tishin in 1991. Based in Moscow the company develops flight simulators and Oracle-based products.

One of the company's core businesses is information systems and databases development. For more than 10 years we have been dealing with different aspects of this business: development of small local systems of different purpose, databases for web-servers, client-server information systems.

The main direction of our business is corporate client -server information systems development. These systems are intended for computerization of companies and enterprises activity.

In our developments we use standards, technologies and the most modern ORACLE products. We are a long-time, reliable and respected partner of ORACLE corporation.

 

 

The right management is a key success factor of any project. We use two main directions of software management:

•Administrative management

•Technical management

 

Administrative management

Definite tasks such as communication, work distribution, time planning and resource management are to be solved in the process of each software development project. Special staff solves these tasks with the help of a standard software set: MS Project, TeamManager, Exсel, OutLook, Access, etc.

Gant Charts for Flanker project

Gant Charts for Flanker project

http://web.archive.org/web/20080504075903im_/http://www.eagle.ru/eagle_pics/m001.gif

Technical management

For complex and efficient solutions in software creation we use products of Rational Rose family.

These products contain modern object-oriented development technologies.

With their help we split up the problem into separate components, model links between various modules, generate a visual model of the program, etc.

 

Eagle Dynamics is a Russian company which develops combat flight simulations for public entertainment but also has seperate releases for military training.

 

 

So....from this I gleaned my thoughts. My opinions...

 

Lazduc

 

Interesting that i cannot give rep for this post.

[cichlidfan]

Interesting that i cannot give rep for this post.

 

That is because it is in Chit-Chat. Nobody can rep a post in this section.

[rubblebeam]

That is because it is in Chit-Chat. Nobody can rep a post in this section.

 

Well that explains it then. Thanks. I'd add to your rep as a thank you but alas...

[NoJoe]

Here is a subset of the information I have read....the rest of the information I have read is right here on this forum.

...

 

Just curious, where are you getting this? Looking at Eagle's wikipedia entry I find only the first sentence from what you posted. Link?

[Flagrum]

Just curious, where are you getting this? Looking at Eagle's wikipedia entry I find only the first sentence from what you posted. Link?

Wikipedia seem to cite from the old ED website from about 2003 ... http://web.archive.org/web/20040606174603/http://www.eagle.ru/main_eng.html

[NoJoe]

Wikipedia seem to cite from the old ED website from about 2003 ... http://web.archive.org/web/20040606174603/http://www.eagle.ru/main_eng.html

 

Ah, I see. Thanks.

 

Not sure how much relevant info we can glean from that old page though. :)

[Winfield_Gold]

spends 5 grand on equipment for the series.....never used it. With some luck the equipment is dead and warranty is void

[Exorcet]

I consider the sim pretty stable. If you don't want to deal with bugs and patching, use the open beta. Keep your main install on your favorite patch, let the Beta take updates until one comes along that you like.

[lazduc]

I built my first machine thinking Edge and NTTR would be out in 2-3 months.

Second machine to get faster video cards. Third machine to again since many months passed get the current video cards thinking....gotta be soon now. Counting Chickens....LOL

I have and will be waiting until Edge is released...as the specs as I have read will take advantage of multi gpu's. I know from reading these posts that many enjoy the sim as it is and do not mind beta repairing after updates. I do not want to be a beta tester...however I have purchased several beta products from ED. I will settle for a build that is stable (not perfect....I have worked with software development, retired from Hewlett Packard mostly R&D...) that has Edge and a different map and the current aircraft, current with the release of Edge.

 

As I read the posts here it has been pointed out that Edge, maps and perhaps other aircraft may be here by the end of the year.

 

7(?) months ago I built a system with 2 780's...it came to around 3000 and change. Search my previous posts and see where I asked here for advice on selecting the parts. I had just finished another system targeted at this sim. It also sits waiting for Edge. I have a third that is set up for 3-d..using NVidia glasses. I have posted here about that system....could never get it to work correctly....as several others here also had problems with theirs. It also now sits. It has some version of A-10 as I recall.

My pit is about 65% finished...dual purpose...rotor and fixed. It is too difficult to change settings to match the updates with the amount of accessories I have....thus I wait for a stable build that has all the features I want and probably will be a few builds old but patched and as I hope relatively stable.

I have resorted to flying RC. Mig29, Su35, FW190 and my latest the ME109. I have photos if anyone is interested.

Lazduc

[NineLine]

So can someone help me out? What is this thread about?

[cichlidfan]

So can someone help me out? What is this thread about?

 

Apparently, to figure out why someone would keep building computers and not using them because the software isn't satisfactory.

[NineLine]

Apparently, to figure out why someone would keep building computers and not using them because the software isn't satisfactory.

 

Ah ok, I dont have that problem ;)

[shagrat]

Take a good advice and only upgrade/buy a new system AFTER you updated the software and KNOW the requirements. Best look for feedback from around here on performance gain or efficiency from fellow Simmers. To anticipate requirements and upgrade in advance to meet what might be necessary is, well, at least not good practice! :D

Edited September 22, 2014 by shagrat

[SDsc0rch]

idunno.. seems to me ED is damned if they do, damned if they don't

 

look, how many of these modules would be on our HDs if they waited till they were "finished products"?

 

the way i see it is, we get to fly these things - EARLIER!

 

how many times in the last twenty years have i heard about a product in development - its in alpha, has it gone to beta yet? rumors abound.. screenshots leaked.. beta testers are allowed to say something (or not - NDAs!) etc etc

 

how i wished i could be a beta tester then..

 

if i could pay money to get the inside track, some cases i would've done it - some cases probably not (is it worth it?)

 

but along comes ED! and "we" can fly these "now"

 

and the price of admission? the price of the module!

 

cmon!