Warthog AB detent - Push through mod?

[DTWD]

Hello,

 

Does anyone know of a mod for the after burner detent to change it from a lift in and out to more of a bump? I want to get to the gate and be able to push through it with enough force instead of having to lift, but still know I am about to light the fires.

 

I find the lift in and out at the beginning fine, but the AB one seems really difficult, certainly something I can't do subconsciously and have to concentrate.

[G00dnight]

what i did'

take out enter bit between throttles.. remove the plastic bit that gives you either AB or noAB.

take a craft knife and trim a little at a time off the step for AB till it just gives you a hump at AB position. BEAR IN MIND THIS WILL INVALIDATE YOUR WARANTEE but who cares.

I have a nice push upto AB pos then a small bump into AB. simples..

[Sarge55]

I did what GOOdnight did and it works great. Just to re-emphasis just a very little bit at a time. If you do go too far I think you can order a new one from TM.

[Wick]

what i did'

take out enter bit between throttles.. remove the plastic bit that gives you either AB or noAB.

take a craft knife and trim a little at a time off the step for AB till it just gives you a hump at AB position. BEAR IN MIND THIS WILL INVALIDATE YOUR WARANTEE but who cares.

I have a nice push upto AB pos then a small bump into AB. simples..

Hi sarge or G00dnight, any chance you could post a quick pic of your 'afterburner detent bit'?

I'm too chicken to start cutting or filing. Need an example.

[DTWD]

Cheers for the posts chaps.

 

A picture would be helpful.

 

Are we talking about the red part, or the whole slot in piece?

[*Rage*]

Good idea! but does it calibrate with DCS so the AB lights when the detent is reached?

 

Edit: with my WH throttle the detent is reached before AB in the 27 and F15. Easily sorted with a curve though.

Edited November 8, 2014 by ///Rage

[Sarge55]

I just fly the A10C and the Su-25T in DCS so can't comment on the AB calibration with the F 15 etc... I modified mine for Falcon BMS, you can set the AB detent in Falcon.

 

Something DCS should look into especially with the eventual release of the F 18C...

 

Attached is a photo of the area to trim... Remember just a little at a time equally on each side of the red guide.

[bunraku]

Hi

 

I can't feel any resistance or bump pushing forward, but like the original poster can feel it going backwards. When I have my throttles fully forward they are hard up against the top of the groove so I can't see how lifting them would make any difference?

[Cowboy10uk]

Hi

 

I can't feel any resistance or bump pushing forward, but like the original poster can feel it going backwards. When I have my throttles fully forward they are hard up against the top of the groove so I can't see how lifting them would make any difference?

 

Turn the throttle stop around inside the Throttle. It has two settings, throttle stop at AB with a lift to go into AB and push to the wall, which is the one the majority of us would be used to after setting up the throttle for the A10.

 

You should see two Allen screws on the top of your throttle to allow you to change it.

Cowboy10uk

[bunraku]

Turn the throttle stop around inside the Throttle. It has two settings, throttle stop at AB with a lift to go into AB and push to the wall, which is the one the majority of us would be used to after setting up the throttle for the A10.

 

You should see two Allen screws on the top of your throttle to allow you to change it.

Cowboy10uk

 

Hi

 

If I am just flying A-10 I don't need to do this right? Only if flying jets too?

[Cowboy10uk]

Nope you only need the AB Detent if you're flying jets with Afterburner

 

Cowboy10uk

[some1]

I did a non-intrusive modification two months ago that serves the same purpose. Instead of cutting the original part I glued a few pieces of a round, wooden toothpick on the other side. The new part stops the throttles, but when you push them, they slide on top of it. This way I have all three options available:

 

- The original pull-up to get past detent and engage afterburner

- The modified push-through operation if I rotate the part 180 degrees.

- No AB detent if I remove the part completely.

 

The good thing is you can customize it later by adding or removing more toothpick pieces.

 

Edited February 10, 2016 by some1

[cro_mig_21]

just want to hop in and say what GOOdnight suggested...with a little exacto knife trimming the plug worked like a charm for me! Thanx a lot!

[Davee]

just want to hop in and say what GOOdnight suggested...with a little exacto knife trimming the plug worked like a charm for me! Thanx a lot!

 

Yup, for me also. Just using the exacto knife to "shave" the edge carefully. I did one side at a time until I got it right on the first one them proceeded with the second side.

[blackasdf]

I did a non-intrusive modification two months ago that serves the same purpose. Instead of cutting the original part I glued a few pieces of a round, wooden toothpick on the other side. The new part stops the throttles, but when you push them, they slide on top of it. This way I have all three options available:

 

- The original pull-up to get past detent and engage afterburner

- The modified push-through operation if I rotate the part 180 degrees.

- No AB detent if I remove the part completely.

 

The good thing is you can customize it later by adding or removing more toothpick pieces.

 

 

I know this is an old but, just wanted to say thank you because your solution works great and it's perfect.

[some1]

Hey, thanks, glad you used it :)

[QuiGon]

Hi

 

If I am just flying A-10 I don't need to do this right? Only if flying jets too?

 

The A-10 has no afterburner, so you won't need it at all. But even for flying jets with afterburner (not all jets have afterburners) it's not really necessary. It just improves the throttle handling, because you know exactly when you activate the afterburner.

[rrohde]

The A-10 has no afterburner, so you won't need it at all. But even for flying jets with afterburner (not all jets have afterburners) it's not really necessary. It just improves the throttle handling, because you know exactly when you activate the afterburner.

 

Does that mean that the afterburner for all DCS jets that have it kicks in at the same throttle position (whether it's the Mirage, F-15 or Su-27) with that detent in place?

[some1]

No, it's a mess, every developer sets the detent in a different place, and you have to adjust the curves (either in the profiler or in DCS) to match that.

 

There's no easy interface for configuring afterburner position like it is in Falcon 4.0, it's trial and error using curve editor.

Edited April 23, 2016 by some1

[rrohde]

Thanks for the info, some1!

[f4l0]

I just found this thread,

it would be nice to have a solution which will work without 'opening' the throttle. Something with a screw or something...

Maybe a talented 3d printing artist can create such piece ;)

[some1]

Not sure what do you mean, the original detent is designed so that you don't have to "open" the throttle, just unscrew the plastic part between the throttles (you don't have to screw it back, it sits firmly in place by itself).

[TwoLate]

I just fly the A10C and the Su-25T in DCS so can't comment on the AB calibration with the F 15 etc... I modified mine for Falcon BMS, you can set the AB detent in Falcon.

 

Something DCS should look into especially with the eventual release of the F 18C...

 

Attached is a photo of the area to trim... Remember just a little at a time equally on each side of the red guide.

 

Works great for me thanks. Rep to you.

[escaner]

Great mod. :) I could not use the original detent because the whole set would lift!

Initially I went with the toothpic one to try and then replaced them with a piece of plastic. Much smoother now in the afterburner range. Here is my detent-piece.

 

[strikers_blade]

On this same topic, are there any shop/company out there selling a detent replacement?

Having a 3D printer would take care of the problem but it is not an option for me right now.