Leatherneck Simulations Monthly Update - January 2015

[gezahu]

US carriers will not come to black sea that is out of question. Whoever places a carrier to the black sea has no military background and professionals would only smile at them. Flying a tomcat from a carrier at black sea is not a simulation game it is a science fiction game :)

[NineLine]

US carriers will not come to black sea that is out of question. Whoever places a carrier to the black sea has no military background and professionals would only smile at them. Flying a tomcat from a carrier at black sea is not a simulation game it is a science fiction game :)

 

I place a US carrier in the Black Sea all the time... so far nobody has stopped me :P

[gezahu]

Because you play shooting games we play simulation :)

[NineLine]

Because you play shooting games we play simulation :)

 

No because I only have a certain area where to place my carrier, dont be so snotty ;)

[jvanhoog]

Sometimes I really like the new Sith.

[jcbak]

I place a US carrier in the Black Sea all the time... so far nobody has stopped me :P

I can hear the professionals smiling now.....

[Buckeye]

US carriers will not come to black sea that is out of question. Whoever places a carrier to the black sea has no military background and professionals would only smile at them. Flying a tomcat from a carrier at black sea is not a simulation game it is a science fiction game :)

 

 

Then build a map where it's appropriate to have a US Carrier placed?

[King_Hrothgar]

don't mind that problem, we don't have a large enough map to run out of these fuel tank.

 

930^2+340^2=990^2

 

600^2+610^2=855^2

 

:)

 

Fly with full afterburner, I doubt you'll make it from one side of the map to the other and back. I assure you, running out of fuel is not only possible, but actually very easy. ;) As for your other comments, we make due with what we have. Our current map is ill suited to carrier ops of course, no one in their right mind would send a US carrier up against the Russians there. But then no one in their right mind would willingly send the US military up against the Russians in the first place either. With that said, the US does routinely send carriers to waterways just as tight or tighter. The Black Sea is a whole lot bigger than the Persian Gulf, and we've had at least 1 carrier parked in the latter more or less continuously for at least 30 years.

[Flycat]

Dude, I've read your post 3 times, but I still strange why you said these.

Based on different load, fuel and throttle, it has different combat radius.

Or you only circle on sky and burn the fuel?

This two digit want to show the terrain isn't big enough for two fuel tank and 100% internal tank. Will you launch off your jet from deck and fly it to the other corner of the map with full throttle? And we still need to take off on land airbase, because these isn't a carrier with launcher in dcs.

 

And Persian Gulf? bro, Black sea have many toys that Persian guys never owned. In other words, you can play carrier ops with Iranian boys, Iraqi boys, Syria boys, Kosovars boys, Yugoslav boys, but others? Carrier is still carrier, not better than airbase on land/island, could not be sink. kkkkk

 

However, it's still a simulator.

 

That's the black sea area, with scale, a little larger than the map in dcs.

The un-refueled radius of an F-14D carrying the normal strike load (four 2,000 pound LGBs, two Phoenix missiles, and two Sidewinders, plus 675 roundsof 20mm, and two, 280 gallon external tanks) is at least 500 statute miles(804km).

[T_A]

When we fly the F-15C in Georgia map , fuel is very much an issue in Multiplayer.

In missions that use nearly the whole map , in 2-3 hours we can go back to refuel several times.

if it there was an engagement and tanks were dropped or too much afterburner then we would have flights last as little as 20 minutes.

 

anyway , those numbers you posted are for the F-14D and it has totally different engines than the A model.

[Flycat]

...How can I explain that...

In real world there is KC-135, KF-18, or KA-6D to refuel your tank. The internal tank and two fuel tank is used to cruise for nearly 60 minutes and combat for 2-5 minutes with afterburner. One mission is only intercept/cruise/ground attack few target.

Fly to somewhere, attack someone and fly back then landing or refuel by some others.

If you want to shoot down everyone in sky without refueling that's impossible.

[gezahu]

Then build a map where it's appropriate to have a US Carrier placed?

 

Thats easy: a flat blue 5000X5000 mile table :) Seriously no sane naval commander would cross the straits with a Nimitz class boat (let alone with the fleet group escorting it) just to be sitting ducks in a land locked lake....

Never ever operational carrier entered black sea, though it is a fun to practize carrier ops..

[vicx]

Flying a tomcat from a carrier at black sea is not a simulation game it is a science fiction game

Then build a map where it's appropriate to have a US Carrier placed?

 

That's funny because I had the opposite reaction. Hell yeah - build a science fiction game where I can fight aliens from my carrier group!

[Scoggs]

Thats easy: a flat blue 5000X5000 mile table :) Seriously no sane naval commander would cross the straits with a Nimitz class boat (let alone with the fleet group escorting it) just to be sitting ducks in a land locked lake....

Never ever operational carrier entered black sea, though it is a fun to practize carrier ops..

 

Are you talking about the Persian Gulf in the top part or the Black Sea? Cause comparatively, the Persian Gulf is a lake at 93,000 Sq. Mi whereas the Black sea is about 163,000 Sq. Mi.

 

EDIT: Oh and I am only confused cause you mention going through the Straights as being dangerous. Carriers sometimes(most of the time?) go through the Suez Canal which is quite narrow...

Edited February 20, 2015 by Scoggs

[RUS38]

Attention! Monthly update is delayed until next month)))

[xxJohnxx]

Attention! Monthly update is delayed until next month)))

 

Where, why, what? Cobra said end of February a couple of days ago. Nothing else has been heard from hit stating otherwise...

[cichlidfan]

Attention! Monthly update is delayed until next month)))

 

Hmmm....no link...no quote... :music_whistling:

[Lt.Seahawk]

Don't bother him, probably another aviation geek that is annoyed of waiting and didn't realized that this month has more than 19 days. :joystick:

[King_Hrothgar]

Dude, I've read your post 3 times, but I still strange why you said these.

Based on different load, fuel and throttle, it has different combat radius.

Or you only circle on sky and burn the fuel?

This two digit want to show the terrain isn't big enough for two fuel tank and 100% internal tank. Will you launch off your jet from deck and fly it to the other corner of the map with full throttle? And we still need to take off on land airbase, because these isn't a carrier with launcher in dcs.

 

And Persian Gulf? bro, Black sea have many toys that Persian guys never owned. In other words, you can play carrier ops with Iranian boys, Iraqi boys, Syria boys, Kosovars boys, Yugoslav boys, but others? Carrier is still carrier, not better than airbase on land/island, could not be sink. kkkkk

 

However, it's still a simulator.

 

That's the black sea area, with scale, a little larger than the map in dcs.

 

 

You are listing the absolute max range with two minutes combat time under ideal conditions with zero loiter/search time. That is an utterly unrealistic scenario in both a real war and in game. The Bf-109E had 2 minutes of combat time when escorting bombers to London during WW2, we all know how well that went.

 

And that brings up another issue, endurance. In a lot of ways, endurance is more important than range. You don't know exactly where the target is typically (unless a building of course) or when it will arrive in the combat area (if a plane to intercept). That means you have to loiter and search at a suitable defensive speed. You may very well be sitting there and waiting for 20 minutes. In a helicopter, that's not a big deal. They have short range but are also slow and with high endurance. The end result is 20 minutes of flying in circles or hovering doesn't cut into their range that much since it's only 20 minutes out of several hours flying time. In a fixed wing plane with only 30-60 minutes fuel in the first place, 20 minutes is an awful lot of range lost. In DCS or war time in real life, a practical combat radius for an F-14 is probably closer to 300km rather than the 800km you listed. Completely ignoring carriers, that's substantially shorter than the distance between many airbases on our Georgia/Russia map.

[dartuil]

Attention! Monthly update is delayed until next month)))

 

Who say that?

A dev said few days ago monthly update is for late february. :noexpression:

[Flagrum]

That was the original intent; but we decided to pace ourselves and retain most of February to offer a more complete reveal.

 

EDIT: Re the site; we had only planned a teaser.

Became kind of redundant as we teased through other means instead.

Looking forward to it this week ;o)

[uboats]

Looking forward to it this week ;o)

 

same here, want a surprise.

[dartuil]

All i wait is the official next aircraft.

[Slipp]

CTRL&R are about to fall out of the keyboard. :music_whistling:

 

We are eagerly waiting.

[Slipp]

Also after seeing just how much effort went into getting the Mig21 right, I have the utmost faith that these guys can give the F14 the module it desires. IF Cobra isn't just messing with our heads that is. ;)

 

I know a lot of the F14 potential does rest of ED providing us fully working multicrew environments, but I'm sure Leatherneck wouldn't even consider it IF they didn't already know the direction ED is heading.

 

It's a very exciting time to be a simmer that's for sure, although rather an expensive one. ;)

 

Cowboy10uk

 

After all that teasing about F-14, I'd be quite shocking if Tomcat isn't the module that they're planning to release in 2015.

 

As far as the carrier is concerned, 4th gen DCS level fighter is so badly needed that I don't even care if it comes without the carrier at start...