Messerschmitt Me 262.

[Hummingbird]

From the Pilot's Handbook prepared for Allied test pilots:

 

"(2) The aircraft holds it's speed in tight turns much better than conventional types"

 

And from interrogation of LW test pilot Hans Fey:

 

"The 262 will turn much better at high than at low speeds, and due to its clean design, will keep its speed in tight turns much longer than the conventional type aircraft"

 

In other words fly it like you would fly any other jet, fast. And don't get sucked into a slow speed turning contest with a prop fighter, cause that'll be the doom of any jet.

[5tuka]

Don't expect him to realize that.

 

I'm also curious what sources he has, so far I see none.

What I realize is that you obviously can not differ the B-1 and the B-2/3 engines. It is not even very accurate but a rather rought sketch to inidicate the performance development of future planed Me 262 variants.

 

There's nothing more to say from my side. To each his own.

[NineLine]

This might be interesting for the discussion... quality kinda sucks...

Me262A1 - Addendum to the specificationsA.pdf

[Hummingbird]

This might be interesting for the discussion... quality kinda sucks...

 

Yes, here one can also see the impact the ETC500 pylons had on the speed of the aircraft, reducing the max speed by a little over 60 km/h at all altitudes. This illustrates the importance of streamlining on fast aircraft as drag increases with the square of velocity.

[Hummingbird]

What I realize is that you obviously can not differ the B-1 and the B-2/3 engines. It is not even very accurate but a rather rought sketch to inidicate the performance development of future planed Me 262 variants.

 

Rough? There's nothing rough about it, furthermore it is based on another report with the very same figures. Said graph does not show what effect improvements would have, that would be this one:

 

 

Here again we see how big a difference even a small increase in surface smoothing has on the speed of aircraft this fast, adding another 30 km/h to the top speed.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Hummingbird

[MiloMorai]

In the Me262 book by Radinger and Schick there is a chart (small and hard to read) that averages the speed of many Me262s (maybe the 125 mentioned). The lowest speed is just over 740kph @ 3500m and the highest speed is 880kph @ just under 8km.

[Crumpp]

This might be interesting for the discussion... quality kinda sucks...

 

740kph EAS with 2 SC500 bombs!! :music_whistling:

[NineLine]

740kph EAS with 2 SC500 bombs!! :music_whistling:

 

Well the Mr H wanted it to be a bomber after all ;)

[Hummingbird]

The average speed of the B2/3 equipped Me262 was 840 km/h at SL and 870 km/h at 6 km, there's no doubt about that as it was based on the measured performance of 125 serial production aircraft independantly tested by the RLM.

 

With bomb racks/pylons attached that dropped to ~780 km/h at SL & ~810 km/h at 6 km.

[AV8R]

Is the Me262 being developed currently?

[Krupi]

The last we heard it is after the P-51 update, P-47 and then it will be worked on :)

[JuliMonkey]

The first flight with jet engines only of the me 262 was on the 18th of july 1942. Now we need a meteor fanboy.

[QuiGon]

The first flight with jet engines only of the me 262 was on the 18th of july 1942. Now we need a meteor fanboy.

 

The Meteor already has its own subforum where you can find these guys:

https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=387 ;)

[HeadHunter52]

I could do without the 262. How about a 109 E-1 or E4? A 190-Ax??

 

Or an AI Kraut bomber to offset the coming B-17?

 

Let's leave the stand alone rare fighters alone for a bit and go with some mid war stuff.

[NineLine]

I would imagine the B-17 wont be the only AI offering we get.

[cichlidfan]

I could do without the 262. How about a 109 E-1 or E4? A 190-Ax??

 

ED has to make the 262.

[Justificus]

ED has to make the 262.

 

I would so love for that to happen!:love:

[javelina1]

ED has to make the 262.

 

That's a big 10-4 buddy! :thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

I would so love for that to happen!:love:

 

It will. ED has already committed to providing several hundred copies of this aircraft to kickstarter backers.

[otto]

I would want a 262 just as much as a Fw A8 or a 109 g6,14 .

 

But IMHO as a company ED would practically reinforce they're credibility by producing the 262.Because it's the plane that was promised.

 

Anyway most people want to fly the plane around, enjoy the DCS level of detail.Few people wage war online.

Also in my opinion very few people fly bombers online, i would presume the numbers are proportional to players playing bombers offline. So creating a flyable bomber is both time consuming and not very attractive to most players.Could also cost more money than a one engine fighter.

Edited March 6, 2017 by otto

[MAD-MM]

I would want a 262 just as much as a Fw A8 or a 109 g6,14 .

 

But IMHO as a company ED would practically reinforce they're credibility by producing the 262.Because it's the plane that was promised.

 

Anyway most people want to fly the plane around, enjoy the DCS level of detail.Few people wage war online.

Also in my opinion very few people fly bombers online, i would presume the numbers are proportional to players playing bombers offline. So creating a flyable bomber is both time consuming and not very attractive to most players.Could also cost more money than a one engine fighter.

 

Something with 2 Engines can be very attractive Otto, something with Ground Strike capability Me-410, B-25, Mosi would enjoy to fly this with Fighter Cover.

Remember at that Point how much Fun and realy a blow when we escort the STG 2 Guys with his Ju-88 and Stuka Bombers (different Simulation) in a Formation to the Target they dived Bombed the hell out of the Target suddenly all on the Red Side know where is the action is enjoyed this.

But B-17 however how want to Fly 4 Hours Sorty over the Channel to Bomb a Target from 8000 Meter with Bunch of AI Wingmans with a to complicated Plane for DCS.

Me-262 i looking foward to also, but more as DCS Aircraft as first operational Jet Fighter and for Singelplayer Missions. :book:

Not that of a agile Fighter Plane...

[Krupi]

I am looking forward to the 262, fantastic aircraft however I hope it doesn't see much use in multiplayer servers :noexpression:

 

Now a Mossie/Me410 or B26/Ju88 that would be great addition :thumbup:

[Blech]

Hi,

 

I hope it will be the "de Havilland Mosquito"

Fighter, Night-Fighter, Bomber, Torpedo-Bomber, Photo-reconnaissance

 

And it was made out of ...

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-design/102960d1443472987-compounded-tortured-ply-construction-de-havilland-mosquito-fuselage-3.jpg

[MAD-MM]

Was last Year in the de Havilland Museum, was impressed how much Work and Engineering they need in a Wood construction to make the Mossi flyable without fall apart in Flight.

The British Engineers allmost work a Decade before the Mossi on Wooden Construction layout how to build this Properly.

And they show us things normaly you never hear about, the First Mossi was euqipped with Slats, but she was Flying so well they never need them.

[Brigg]

I could do without the 262. How about a 109 E-1 or E4? A 190-Ax??

 

Or an AI Kraut bomber to offset the coming B-17?

 

Let's leave the stand alone rare fighters alone for a bit and go with some mid war stuff.

 

Totally agree with you fella, there are lots of other planes I would want to see before a 262.