Aviators Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 ;) This just happened to me so I am acutely aware of what these updates do.. I just came back from a trip and my logs show my system has been running CPU time without me being here and I tracked it down and removed two of the offending updates thinking I found them all.. then I found the system started running by itself and eating CPU with high disk access while I was using my system for productivity work and there is MORE involved. This has to be the most intrusive nonsense I have ever seen Microsoft pull Microsoft has decided to release updates that will EAT your memory and processor while your system runs. This was not a mistake. These updates are designed to constantly collect data about your computer for Windows 10. One of them will act like ADWARE and eventually pop up offering you Windows 10. They will run in the background automatically with absolutely no control from the user to shut them down. They can use up to 25-35% of a quad core processor, 35-50% of a dual core and will run while you are using your computer regardless of that use OR when the system has a monitor sleep mode but the power profile is not set to sleep or hibernate.. The power profile any FS computer should be set to run HIGH PERFORMANCE in order to avoid any power management by MS during gaming operation. This effects BOTH WINDOWS 7 and WINDOWS 8 To shut this nonsense down and make sure it does not come back, do the following NOTE: THIS LINK PROVIDES MORE INFORMATION FOR WINDOWS 8 http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/17/how-to-remove-windows-10-upgrade-updates-in-windows-7-and-8/ In Windows 7: 1. CONTROL PANEL - PROGRAMS AND FEATURES - on the side, click VIEW INSTALLED UPDATES 2. In the list that appears for the list of installed WINDOWS UPDATES, scroll down and locate the following updates in WINDOWS 7 KB2952664 KB2990214 KB3021917 KB3035583 KB2977759 KB2996978 KB3022345 KB3044374 KB3068708 VERIFY EACH KB NUMBER BEFORE CONTINUING 3. UNINSTALL EACH UPDATE YOU FIND - NOTE: When asked to reboot select LATER and continue until all those are uninstalled and remove them in the ORDER shown above THEN REBOOT Go back and check to see if those updates are all gone in the system.. if they are then check and see if you can still connect to Windows Update... IF BOTH ARE TRUE SKIP TO #6 BELOW AND HIDE THE UPDATES AT WU. You are done If KB2952664 has come back or appears again, OR you cant connect to Windows Update and get a ERROR continue with #4 below after uninstalling KB2952664 again Here is the kicker.. if you UNINSTALL KB2952664 many systems cant connect to Windows update anymore! Really MS? Punishment or dimwit strong-arm tactics? 4. Run this MS FIX IT tool http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/windows-update-error-8000ffff [ignore the reference to Vista] Run with the check box aggressive mode unchecked, let it finish, close and then rerun the tool again with the check in AGGRESSIVE 5. Once finished, reboot The above repairs Windows update from not being able to run but BE AWARE it will CLEAN/FLUSH the Windows update 'history' list but wont remove the update list 6. Once rebooted run Windows Update in MANUAL MODE do not let MS download and install updates automatically.. the updates I noted above should reappear in the list including KB2952664 right click them all and select HIDE KB2952664 KB2990214 KB3021917 KB3035583 KB2977759 KB2996978 KB3022345 KB3044374 KB3068708 you will no longer be prompted to install those hidden nonsense updates unless MS decides to try and slip them back in again and Windows Update will work fine For Windows 8 the process is similar.. you can review the link above to remove this garbage EDIT: If the above FIXIT tool fails and you still can not connect to WU, Try this tool: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/947821/ Download the correct version x32 or x64 and let it repair WU. It will request you install a KB and then it will run a aggressive scan to fix issues. It can take 10 minutes and up to 3 hours to run sometimes so if it appears to hang at like 85%, its still running.. reboot when it finished and recheck WU and don't worry about the MSfixit tools One other option I found worked on one system, change the dropdown selection for how you get updates to: CHECK FOR UPDATES BUT LET ME CHOOSE TO DOWNLOAD/INSTALL see if it connects. If it does and after changes are made you can switch it back to NEVER CHECK FOR UPDATES 1 L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza.
NRG-Vampire Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) ;) i frequently check my CPU usage because sometimes i need to shut down the RUNDLL32.exe what starts to eat the CPU too i believe there are plenty files in updates which examine and report our system to microsoft just like a spyware and "propose" things just like an adware - same as google CHROME.EXE :yes: be careful, the "big brothers" (companies) are watching us Edited July 11, 2015 by NRG-Vampire
Rangi Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 If you have opted in for free win 10 upgrade these updates are windows downloading win 10 bit by bit so when it is released you don't need to download gigabytes all at once. I think these details should have been made clear when the updates and upgrade were offered. I have not noticed any of the processor use as mentioned above but it is still rude of Microsoft to have windows doing all this background stuff on my pc without explanation. PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
The_Ant Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Do you also have a networkprogram called killer network installed? on you computer.Then disable- activate bandwith Control.had this on my gaming rig and gaming laptop.this piece of garbage program.drained my gamecomputer 32 gb memmory, and my 16 gb laptop memmory too 98% usage and kept stacking even if i turned the computers off, both computers totally F ucked up.:mad:
Abburo Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Some statements are true, some are just personal fears or related to your personal environment. I know about unaware CPU usage coming from so much different sources so that Windows itself have nothing to do about ( various trusted antiviruses, AMD Catalyst, so on and so forth) rundll32 usage is also trigered by other software programs too. Analyze your OS deeper and do not hurry up ranting it witout a very clear understanding of what is under the hood. The Windows 10 update icon is something that bothered me too but by no mean that one add any extra usage on yor OS. PS: Windows is curently a very mature OS and is very well optimized ( unix like approaches have been adopted too). Edited July 11, 2015 by Abburo Romanian Community for DCS World HW Specs: AMD 7900X, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, HOTAS Virpil, MFG, CLS-E, custom
NRG-Vampire Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) rundll32 usage is also trigered by other software programs too. RUNDLL32.exe usage is just came after i activated my windows, before activation it was not a problem (clean and original program) by te way : KB2952664 is just appeared on my windows update list right now as optional update Analyze your OS deeper and do not hurry up ranting it witout a very clear understanding of what is under the hood. i did it hundred times over the years with many programs and by many ways for me it's sure-fire: microsoft and google are spies in the rig (and many other products of "reliable/trusted" big names) Edited July 11, 2015 by NRG-Vampire
SkateZilla Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 1. My Windows 10 install is pretty much stable on the latest insider build that went out Thursday. 2. It's Still a beta Operating System, and the Disclaimer even says NOT to use it on a System that is required to function correctly for everyday use. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Rangi Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 1. My Windows 10 install is pretty much stable on the latest insider build that went out Thursday. 2. It's Still a beta Operating System, and the Disclaimer even says NOT to use it on a System that is required to function correctly for everyday use. I don't think the talk is about windows 10, it's about win7 (and 8 I assume) update getting ready to install 10. I am not seeing the CPU or memory use others are talking about, but maybe my install hasn't started yet. PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
zxarkov Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Hey, Thanks for this warning. I run Win7 pro x64 and I checked my cpu usage at idle, it was almost 50% until deleting those updates. __________________________________________________________ i7 3930k @ 4.7GHz | GTX 980 Ti | 16GB G.Skill 2133 Quad Channel | Samsung 850 EVO SSD | Win7 ProX64 | CH Fighterstick | CH Pro Pedals | CH Throttle | BenQ XL2730Z 1440p
Wolf Rider Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 dllhost exe , Thumbnail preview enabled and a dodgy image file on the desktop? City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
blackbelter Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Mine seems to be working fine... 1-2% CPU usage when not running anything serious. Thanks for the information.
Demon_ Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Don't want to kill your party, but are you sure a Windows update use 35% (like... Constantly in background) of your beefy gaming cpu? And crushed your fps! :megalol: Or jam your pc? :D Do you own a good security internet? Do you check the pressure of the tires of your bicycle? Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
NeilWillis Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 OMG! They really are out to get us! And I bet you have evidence that the moon landing was a hoax too? While you're at it, can you shed any fresh light on who shot JFK? I personally blame the Chinese, I expect they hacked into Microsoft, took control, and are about to take over the entire world's IT resources... Seriously though, do you honestly think Microsoft would commit commercial suicide by doing something this underhand? How on earth would they explain that to congress?
mr_mojo97 Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Oddly enough, I had a check yesterday and sure enough my ram usage went up to 91%! Then back down to 5% then more or less stabilised around 25-35% for a while. This was just having the desktop on and no programs running! Edited July 12, 2015 by mr_mojo97 MSI M5 z270 | Intel i5 7600k (OC) 4.8GHz | MSI GTX1080ti Gaming X 11Gb | 500gb Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 (DCS World) | 500gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD (OS and Apps) | 32Gb 2400MHz DDR4 - Crucial Ballistix | Be Quiet Silent Loop 240mm | NZXT H440 case | Thrustmaster Warthog - 47608 with Virpil Mongoose joystick base | MFG Crosswinds - 1241 | Westland Lynx collective with Bodnar X board | Pilot's seat from ZH832 Merlin | JetSeat | Oculus Rift S | Windows 10 | VA |
HiJack Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 They sure are all about upgrading to the next Windows version and also is updates that reports back to Microsoft. You can read more about them here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2990214 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3021917 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2977759 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2996978 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3022345 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3044374 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708
Kuky Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 OMG! They really are out to get us! And I bet you have evidence that the moon landing was a hoax too? While you're at it, can you shed any fresh light on who shot JFK? I personally blame the Chinese, I expect they hacked into Microsoft, took control, and are about to take over the entire world's IT resources... Seriously though, do you honestly think Microsoft would commit commercial suicide by doing something this underhand? How on earth would they explain that to congress? noooo, people would never do anything bad, especially not for money? :huh: ... how could they? :music_whistling: No longer active in DCS...
Shaman Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) The OP is right. I always use separate rig for all my flight sim home-pit actions, updates are applied there manually. I have read MS provided updates one by one today after checking manually for updates on mentioned hardware and its OS. So yes, these updates listed by OP, they are totally useless if you prefer to stay with your flightsim machine with Windows 7 SP1 (if it works, don't fix it). All I had to do is to uninstall KB2952664 that already got installed into my system early June, remaining ones I have skipped and hidden. Thank You! Edited July 12, 2015 by Shaman 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Demon_ Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Yes! Jokes time :D Edited July 14, 2015 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
audax Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 I've got the System Idle Process eating away about 95-99% of CPU usage! How can I remove it? Is it because of these updates?
secret1962 Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 I've got the System Idle Process eating away about 95-99% of CPU usage! How can I remove it? Is it because of these updates? That just means 95-99 % of CPU is idle.. You need to look at CPU usage.
sobek Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 That just means 95-99 % of CPU is idle.. You need to look at CPU usage. He was joking. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Bucic Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Does anyone know which updates specifically contain just the windows 10 notification mechanism? I have already uninstalled the initial one but MS has dished out at least one new. F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
NeilWillis Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Did anyone actually read the statement that Microsoft placed on the Windows 10 update sign up? It clearly stated that they'd be updating your PC in preparation for the release, so that when it happens, there will not be a huge amount of data to download. You agree to some terms, and then scream blue murder when they actually do what they told you at the outset they'd be doing. Really? What is it with you guys? Want your cake and eat it too?
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