ED Team NineLine Posted November 10, 2015 ED Team Share Posted November 10, 2015 You guys running overclocked stuff... have you tried removing any overclock settings and tried? Just reaching here now... I dont overclock anything currently, so trying to find some differences. I know if you overclock something and miss a setting, or push your system too hard you can have issues. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Running in Fullscreen ? Any other ( sound, HBA, USB30, etc.. )PCEe cards in your board that suck on the IRQs ??? Too many onboard devices activated that suck IRQs ? IRQ's don't inhibit system performance like you're stating here. There's a good article here on IRQ and system specifications here and here. Lot's of other information available if you dig for it. But you can have IRQ conflicts so that's something to look for in the device manager. Anything that's flagged should be looked at for possible conflict and you can also go the the device assignment by IRQ and see if anything is being shared. That could be a problem. Windows is designed to handle a large amount of IRQ's and you can see that in the list. But I do agree with disabling anything unnecessary. I disabled my Bluetooth device because I never use it. You don't have to go crazy and disable a lot of stuff though. Just look for conflicts. But again, we weren't having this problem prior to the patch so this is not a hardware problem. It's something related to the file changes in the patch. Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 You guys running overclocked stuff... have you tried removing any overclock settings and tried? Just reaching here now... I dont overclock anything currently, so trying to find some differences. I know if you overclock something and miss a setting, or push your system too hard you can have issues. Nope, no overclocking here. I uninstalled everything and I'm doing a de-fragment now. After I do a fresh installation I'll post the results. Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zibell Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I can confirm the tree rendering bug and the stutters. It happened to me only once, and then after something like 10 to 15 seconds went back to normal. I was doing the first mission of Fortress Mozdok campaign in the Su-27, just leaving the parking area towards runway 8. FPS was like 0.5. System: GTX 970, Core i5 4670, 8GB RAM (with the current leaks, I can fly one mission tops, if I'm quick) [sIGPIC]hi[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelmcelwee Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I can confirm the tree rendering bug and the stutters. It happened to me only once, and then after something like 10 to 15 seconds went back to normal. I was doing the first mission of Fortress Mozdok campaign in the Su-27, just leaving the parking area towards runway 8. FPS was like 0.5. System: GTX 970, Core i5 4670, 8GB RAM (with the current leaks, I can fly one mission tops, if I'm quick) Maybe the tree/object issue has something to do with the stuttering as well? Might be conjecture but I am a problem solver so I am trying to put 2 and 2 together! Perhaps the bug causing the objects to appear so intensely is the same thing causing the stutters? Cold be an object rendering thing that is causing the stutter? Either way, definitely stuttering. Well lets hope ED can patch it up soon and fix the tree issue and see if that fixes the stutter issue! Core i7 7700K @ 4.5 GTX 1080ti OC 11gb DDR 5 16 GB pc 3200 DDR with XMP Crucial 500GB SSD Crucial 1TB SSD Asus 31.5" @ 1920x1080 Track IR Thurstmaster pedals Thurstmaster HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 10, 2015 ED Team Share Posted November 10, 2015 Maybe the tree/object issue has something to do with the stuttering as well? Might be conjecture but I am a problem solver so I am trying to put 2 and 2 together! Perhaps the bug causing the objects to appear so intensely is the same thing causing the stutters? Cold be an object rendering thing that is causing the stutter? Either way, definitely stuttering. Well lets hope ED can patch it up soon and fix the tree issue and see if that fixes the stutter issue! It would effect everyone then, as I said, I dont have an issue with stutter except for the first few seconds after loading into the sim. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarnoman Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Hey Sithspawn, sorry to be a pain, but do you know if the tree color issue has been reported yet? I'm not too familiar with the forum/bug tracking procedure yet, sorry. Edit: Added screen shots of the tree issue. Edited November 10, 2015 by Aarnoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 OK, I did a complete uninstall and then deleted the local files and defragmented the drive. Then, I downloaded the entire package from the ED website and did a clean install. I went in and checked to make sure that there wasn't anything different about the settings in the options. It still stutters, not as bad as I noticed a minor improvement, but still it stutters, especially around large groups of objects like airports and cities. So low level flight is still pretty choppy but it's not bad at 10,000 feet. Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Impalor Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Did you try assigning your TEMP and TMP folders (both user and system variables) to a RAM drive? I did it ages ago, helped me with DCS stutters. It is also great to delete all the crap various programs leave ))) Edited November 11, 2015 by impalor 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 10, 2015 ED Team Share Posted November 10, 2015 Hey Sithspawn, sorry to be a pain, but do you know if the tree color issue has been reported yet? I'm not too familiar with the forum/bug tracking procedure yet, sorry. Edit: Added screen shots of the tree issue. Yes Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelottr Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 It would effect everyone then, as I said, I dont have an issue with stutter except for the first few seconds after loading into the sim. I've experienced the same issue with stuttering from hotfix 3 and still continuing with the latest update. I reinstalled everything and had the original 1.5 version with absolutely no stuttering at all and everything was butter smooth. Then I updated my DCS and it started stuttering like crazy again, which is bad enough that I can't stand flying in DCS at the moment until it's fixed. It's definitely something to do with the update and many others say the same about hotfix 3. (there is a hotfix 3 stuttering thread also covering the same thing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteuswave Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Having the exact same problems Sent from my SM-N910C using Tapatalk Intel i7 6700 3.4Ghz , 32gig ripjaw ram , Asus Strix RX480 OC 8gb , Samsung 850 Pro SSD, Asus ROG VIII Ranger Z170 Motherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Did you try assigning your TEMP and TMP folders (both user and system variables) to a RAM drive? I did it ages ago, helped me with DCS stutters. It is also great to delete all the crap various programs leave ))) I did some reading up on this and it looks like this was started as a solution to prevent Windows from writing the page files to SSD drives and burn them out prematurely. I don't think there would be any benefit in my case as I use spin drives. Also, the problem didn't exist prior to the patch so this is a patch related issue. I'm sure that the developers are aware of it by now and will come up with a solution. It is Beta after all and we're all here to test it out and report what we're experiencing so they can make it better in the long run. I did delete all my track and temp files though and defragged again and it seemed to help a little but the problem is still there. Edited November 11, 2015 by 75th-VFS-Striker Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Impalor Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I did some reading up on this and it looks like this was started as a solution to prevent Windows from writing the page files to SSD drives and burn them out prematurely. I don't think there would be any benefit in my case as I use spin drives. Also, the problem didn't exist prior to the patch so this is a patch related issue. I'm sure that the developers are aware of it by now and will come up with a solution. It is Beta after all and we're all here to test it out and report what we're experiencing so they can make it better in the long run. I did delete all my track and temp files though and defragged again and it seemed to help a little but the problem is still there. DCS writes quite a few temp files, god knows why. Worth a try! 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelottr Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) I did some reading up on this and it looks like this was started as a solution to prevent Windows from writing the page files to SSD drives and burn them out prematurely. I don't think there would be any benefit in my case as I use spin drives. Also, the problem didn't exist prior to the patch so this is a patch related issue. I'm sure that the developers are aware of it by now and will come up with a solution. It is Beta after all and we're all here to test it out and report what we're experiencing so they can make it better in the long run. I did delete all my track and temp files though and defragged again and it seemed to help a little but the problem is still there. There's a way around this by putting the page file on a ramdisk and it works great but in 1.5 I've already tested this and it's not helping much with the current stuttering issues, these issues are definitely graphics related and has something to do with the updates since hotfix 3... Edited November 12, 2015 by Ocelottr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Impalor Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 There's a way around this by putting the page file on a ramdisk and it works great but in 1.5 I've already tested this and it's not helping much with the current stuttering issues, these issues are definitely graphics related and has something to do with the updates since hotfix 3... Pagefile on ramdisk?? Why not just disable the pagefile - will be the same effect! )) 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelottr Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Pagefile on ramdisk?? Why not just disable the pagefile - will be the same effect! )) Tried that as well. No difference. Also, the game will be unstable if there is no page file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 OK Sithspawn. I think it's running OK now. But I had to completely uninstall it and download the most recent version from the website. I cleaned out all track files and temp files and defragged. Then I installed the latest version but it still had to be updated from the updater. I defragged each time after each step. I think it stuttered a tiny bit in the beginning of a mission but it looked like it was mostly smooth. I'll let you know if it happens again. Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomhatter Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 FYI, I don't think this is completely isolated to a few machines. I'm having the exact same image stutter problems and I'm running pretty much the same system as 75th-VFS-Striker with absolutely no mods. The only difference is that I have an Nvidia GTX 970 video card and 32 GB's of Memory. I actually noticed this on the update before last but it has become significantly worse with the last update. Prior to that 1.5 ran as smooth as glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom453 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 FYI, I don't think this is completely isolated to a few machines. I'm having the exact same image stutter problems and I'm running pretty much the same system as 75th-VFS-Striker with absolutely no mods. The only difference is that I have an Nvidia GTX 970 video card and 32 GB's of Memory. I actually noticed this on the update before last but it has become significantly worse with the last update. Prior to that 1.5 ran as smooth as glass. ^ Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelottr Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) FYI, I don't think this is completely isolated to a few machines. I'm having the exact same image stutter problems and I'm running pretty much the same system as 75th-VFS-Striker with absolutely no mods. The only difference is that I have an Nvidia GTX 970 video card and 32 GB's of Memory. I actually noticed this on the update before last but it has become significantly worse with the last update. Prior to that 1.5 ran as smooth as glass. Look for input lag and FPS drop, with your system you should easily be able to run for example the A-10 with TGP and MAV FLIR screens at 1024 and still get mostly 60fps @ 1080p OK Sithspawn. I think it's running OK now. But I had to completely uninstall it and download the most recent version from the website. I cleaned out all track files and temp files and defragged. Then I installed the latest version but it still had to be updated from the updater. I defragged each time after each step. I think it stuttered a tiny bit in the beginning of a mission but it looked like it was mostly smooth. I'll let you know if it happens again. I don't know your GPU, but try pulling on the stick rapidly ingame back and forth and see if it responds with a ~0.2 second input lag, I suspect your performance issues still exist. At least I have a lot of input lag which is hard to make out first, but ruins the experience of flying, especially with TrackIR which feels like moving your head through jelly. Edited November 13, 2015 by Ocelottr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danilop Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) It seems that texture caching routine has been significantly changed since last couple of updates. It's stutter time from the beginning of the mission, then after all the texture decompress/load it's smooth again. It is especially noticeable with Track IR panning and / or zooming. After few minutes into mission, frame rates stabilize. And something I've noticed - it stays that way (smooth) even when I exit and restart DCS (texture caching?) - it only start to stutter once I restart Windows. My 1.5 is not on SSD like 1.2, but on WD Black 7200RPM 2TB drive. Edited November 13, 2015 by danilop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Tried that as well. No difference. Also, the game will be unstable if there is no page file. Partly wrong, mine runs fine @144fps 1440p smooth w/o any swapfile. If you use Samsung SSD's + Magician then it will disable Swapfile for most presets Samsung Magician offers. Mind you, Windose can establish a SF anytime it wants to, regardless of user settings. With S.Mag. it seems to be more funded and SF seems off, maybe samsung has deeper insight on how to enable/disable SF. been in the 109 n Dora last 2 days, almost never below 120-140fps and smooth. so strange.... Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doveman Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I've never had Windows create a swapfile if I disable it. Whilst DCS might not need one, depending on how much RAM you have, other games and programs will have issues even if there's sufficient RAM and it would be a pain to keep enabling/disabling it (especially it requires a reboot) so putting it on an SSD is the best option, so that it's available when needed without running on a relatively slow HDD. With 16GB RAM I run a fixed 8GB swapfile and haven't had any problems. Main rig: i5-4670k @4.4Ghz, Asus Z97-A, Scythe Kotetsu HSF, 32GB Kingston Savage 2400Mhz DDR3, 1070ti, Win 10 x64, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD (OS & Data), OCZ 480GB SSD (Games), WD 2TB and WD 3TB HDDs, 1920x1200 Dell U2412M, 1920x1080 Dell P2314T touchscreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelottr Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I've never had Windows create a swapfile if I disable it. Whilst DCS might not need one, depending on how much RAM you have, other games and programs will have issues even if there's sufficient RAM and it would be a pain to keep enabling/disabling it (especially it requires a reboot) so putting it on an SSD is the best option, so that it's available when needed without running on a relatively slow HDD. With 16GB RAM I run a fixed 8GB swapfile and haven't had any problems. Having the page file on an SSD is actually the reason why people are having stuttering in the first place, so it should be on a regular hard disk or a RAMDISK because SSD trimming is apparently doing it. Also, the issues right now have nothing to do with the page file seemingly, me and a few others have tested without page file / it on RAMDISK or HDD and it's no use. Again, the issues started with the latest hotfixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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