AV-8B Harrier Thread

[Sport]

ED is trying to simulate this effect:

 

 

 

Except that effect is caused by using a polarized filter on a camera... I think a little better balance on the reflective aspect of the canopies could be achieved

[Ocelotunit]

Except that effect is caused by using a polarized filter on a camera... I think a little better balance on the reflective aspect of the canopies could be achieved

No, it's a polarised film on the glass actually.

 

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[twistking]

No, it's a polarised film on the glass actually.

 

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what is the benefit of having the polarized film? less reflections?

[Sport]

No, it's a polarised film on the glass actually.

 

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I did not know that. I see the same effect on the windows of my jet, but its caused by the windshield heat and accentuated by polarized filters/lenses.

 

what is the benefit of having the polarized film? less reflections?

 

Reduces glare, mostly

[Torso]

Do they apply the same film on the sensor/camera port on the nose? Because it is applied to it as well it appears.

 

It seems they are desiring a iridescent coating quality effect but unfortunately did not quite hit the mark. Hopefully they can dial it in to get a better result with further dev time. But overall amazing job on this aircraft. Really looking forward to adding to my stable.

[Ocelotunit]

what is the benefit of having the polarized film? less reflections?

Prevents glare as far as I'm aware, certainly the reason you get polarised sunglasses and camera lenses.

 

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[jojo]

I did not know that. I see the same effect on the windows of my jet, but its caused by the windshield heat and accentuated by polarized filters/lenses.

 

 

 

Reduces glare, mostly

 

Yep, I saw the same kind of thing looking through a jet windshield with polarized sun glasses.

[Sport]

Do they apply the same film on the sensor/camera port on the nose? Because it is applied to it as well it appears.

 

It seems they are desiring a iridescent coating quality effect but unfortunately did not quite hit the mark. Hopefully they can dial it in to get a better result with further dev time. But overall amazing job on this aircraft. Really looking forward to adding to my stable.

 

I believe most glass sensors are actually made from sapphire for their clarity, damage resistance, and because I think they're more resistant to reflecting IR signatures.

[AG-51_Razor]

Have you guys tried any air to air refueling yet? Would love to see some pics of that! :pilotfly: This is definitely going to be a first day buy for me and several of my squad mates I'm sure! :thumbup:

[Automan]

I think devs will share some screens when the KC-130T will be ready :D

 

[Ratcatcher]

I think devs will share some screens when the KC-130T will be ready :D

 

 

Now that's not a bad view from the office window!

[shagrat]

what is the benefit of having the polarized film? less reflections?

It can reduce or enhance(!) reflections and add better contrast.

 

At least it does in photography...

 

It could (as in: I don't know for sure) be used to enhance reflections on planes and add contrast to spot them easier, as well as reduce ground reflections from water/reflective surfaces, though you would need to adjust the "polarisation" for each situation. That would be impractical...

 

My best guess is, they simply use it to reduce stray light to enhance contrast in the HUD, but it's just a guess.

[MikeMikeJuliet]

I'm loving the progress and the new textures, but the canopy??? That looks rather odd with how the reflections are being displayed.

 

WIP I take it?

 

I also find the canopy very odd... burns my eyes almost. I guess quite a few times the problem is, ghat a camera sees things differently than our eyes.

 

Just being at an airshow I noticed this with flares they used... in DCS flares are fairly large and produce this soft cloud of smoke... while the real ones are really sharp and very bright (as in I almost had to sqint my eyes), but they are also much smaller and the smoke is way more defined...

 

And when you try to model something after the fact by looking at photos you might not see the same things from the picture that you could with your naked eye.

[shagrat]

Just being at an airshow I noticed this with flares they used... in DCS flares are fairly large and produce this soft cloud of smoke... while the real ones are really sharp and very bright (as in I almost had to sqint my eyes), but they are also much smaller and the smoke is way more defined...

 

And when you try to model something after the fact by looking at photos you might not see the same things from the picture that you could with your naked eye.

The biggest issue here is the monitor display, that can never produce the same amount of light the flare does, to make you squint. The "halo" you get on screen is supposed to simulate the "brightness" in a way.

The smoke trail on flares is really difficult.

It seems to vary, with angle, sunlight, flare type and what not...

 

I've seen videos where the trails look fluffy white, others where they are fine streaks, yet others where they look brownish and more like foggy haze.

[MikeMikeJuliet]

The biggest issue here is the monitor display, that can never produce the same amount of light the flare does, to make you squint. The "halo" you get on screen is supposed to simulate the "brightness" in a way.

The smoke trail on flares is really difficult.

It seems to vary, with angle, sunlight, flare type and what not...

 

I've seen videos where the trails look fluffy white, others where they are fine streaks, yet others where they look brownish and more like foggy haze.

 

Yea I get that. But the principle still stands in regards to the canopy.

 

 

On the topic of flares, I could think of a few ways to recreate the feel of a "sharp" flare other than the method used currently.

 

 

On topic, I assume the color tint on the canopy is freely adjustable by RAZBAM, no?

[shagrat]

Yea I get that. But the principle still stands in regards to the canopy.

 

 

On the topic of flares, I could think of a few ways to recreate the feel of a "sharp" flare other than the method used currently.

 

 

On topic, I assume the color tint on the canopy is freely adjustable by RAZBAM, no?

I guess it is already adjusted...

 

This is DCS 2.1 (Normandy) according to the description.

[MikeMikeJuliet]

Brilliant

[iLOVEwindmills]

ED is trying to simulate this effect:

 

 

 

 

I feel the main issue is that the reflectivity goes from extremely high on the canopy to zero on the skin of the plane itself. Yeah planes aren't highly reflective but there is a degree of light reflecting back when the sun hits it at the right angle. So what makes the https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3165209&postcount=1391 pictures look a little bit jarring is imo mostly due to that.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=188744

 

Here you see the reflections on the canopy continue onto the skin of the plane as well, giving a more natural impression. It's probably not perfectly indicative of real life material reflectivity but its likely closer.

 

I know its all wip but just wanted to add that into the discussion.

 

Some RL pictures of light reflecting from Bulldogs paintscheme

 

 

 

 

 

I suppose once you guys get your hands on the PBR stuff you'll get more options right?

[twistking]

I suppose once you guys get your hands on the PBR stuff you'll get more options right?

 

probably. i was under the impression, that the razbam texture WIP was still lacking it's PBR/specular pass, so it looks too flat still.

[Ratcatcher]

I guess it is already adjusted...

 

This is DCS 2.1 (Normandy) according to the description.

 

I'm not so sure, that may be Normandy but thats the place holder skin, the the overdone canopy that prowler posted on the 11th had the updated skin on it.

 

To quote Prowler. "Here are a pair of new ones, this is a special 2.2 version (DCSW) for the E3"

[shagrat]

I'm not so sure, that may be Normandy but thats the place holder skin, the the overdone canopy that prowler posted on the 11th had the updated skin on it.

 

To quote Prowler. "Here are a pair of new ones, this is a special 2.2 version (DCSW) for the E3"

It was similar for all 3rd party planes when DCS 2.0 Nevada introduced new shaders early on. They just need to adjust a texture for reflection if I am not mistaken, so the "special" 2.2 build for E3 most likely has not included the tweaked textures. I wouldn't really worry about that... It is all heavily work in progress. Worst case they could use the "place holder skins" canopy texture and reflection map for early access. I wouldn't care. :D

[Zeus67]

IR Maverick (AGM-65D) video test.

In the AV-8B NA (and Radar), weapons video can only be displayed on the left MPCD.

TPOD (TGP) video can be displayed on both MPCDs.

 

Edited June 15, 2017 by Zeus67

[Vitormouraa]

Nice progress Larry,

 

Three questions, what's the VnE of the Harrier, and how does it fly at mach 0.8? Also can we carry TERs + 3 Mavs?

 

Thanks!

[Zeus67]

Nice progress Larry,

 

Three questions, what's the VnE of the Harrier, and how does it fly at mach 0.8? Also can we carry TERs + 3 Mavs?

 

Thanks!

 

The AV-8B can only carry 1 maverick per pylon and only pylons 2, 3, 5, and 6 are enabled to carry them. So at most you can carry 4.

 

There are missile type limitation based on aircraft type:

 

Day Attack can only use AGM-65E (laser)

Night Attack and Radar can use all AGM-65 types (laser, IR and CCCD).

 

Day Attack can only use 2 sensors for targeting.

Night Attack can use 4 sensors, and

Radar can use 3 sensors.

 

In many respects the Night Attack is the best Air-to-Ground platform of the AV-8B series.

[.Tigre.]

In many respects the Night Attack is the best Air-to-Ground platform of the AV-8B series.

 

 

This is very interesting for me....

 

 

 

Nice progress, good job :thumbup:

 

 

 

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