Possibility of other 109 Models as an addon?

[Brigg]

yeah absolutely and hopefully VEAO will release a BF109 E4 and the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight

[Solty]

I would be very much all for early war birds... if it wasn't for the game's modules model.

 

Each plane costs 50$ or more. That means each 1939-1940 airplane would cost a lot. Many people do not have that kind of money. This creates two main possible outcomes:

 

1. Player base split. We already have problems with more than 10 people on one server. That would create even bigger problems with finding a match that would be worthwhille.

or

2. Uneven and ahistorical matchups. There would be one server on which all airplanes would be available... just Spitfire MkI has a very slim chance against Bf109K4 and 109E4 would be very much at a disadvantage from likes of P-51D.

 

I would much rather see more airplanes from late 1943-44 period, because there is a lot of them. Bf109G6, G14 and their subversions would be great additons. But from others it would be great to see Fw190A8, Me410, P38L, Tempest V, Typhoon Mk1b, B25, Mosquito. I would much rather see other fronts from that period. Pacific: N1K, Ki84, A6M5, F4U-1D, F6F Hellcat. Eastern: La5FN or La7, Yak3, Yak9U, IL2M or IL10, Tu-2, Pe-3 etc. So many possibilities.

 

And while I like early war, I just don't see that possible without going the two ways I have mentioned at the begining.

 

But, there are so many airplanes from the mid/late scenario that could each fight one another without too big of a disparity that it would be a shame not to include those first.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Solty

[Brigg]

Yes the net code needs sorting out, but ahistorical match-ups are probably not going to happen as the people that want the BOB scenario will create servers that use just that era planes.

 

You say about money being a problem, well its down to personal choice as I know I would quite happily pay for the BOB planes before I would for any on that list

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

i would love to see DCS: Bf-109F-4 one day

[Dieter]

i would love to see DCS: Bf-109F-4 one day

 

You can fly this bird in cliff of dover :doh:

[NineLine]

You can fly this bird in cliff of dover :doh:

 

Which does us no good here...

[saburo_cz]

there is one option to get another Bf 109 model, or close it

 

map maker just must set Bf with MW50/fuel tank empty and Bf 109G-6/AS/U4 is nearly here

brave Bfs pilots who play with these "G6/AS/U4" will be probably problem to find...

 

p.s. i know, it will not be exactly G6/AS/U4 but it will be really close :smilewink:

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

You can fly this bird in cliff of dover :doh:

 

mh no...to my knowledge and if memory serves me right, in cliffs of dover there is the Bf-109E-4 :)...but i would love a Friedrich and on DCS level.

[JG53_Jaguar]

I would love to see: G-10, G-14/AS (or G-6/AS), G-6/G-6 Late and G-2. Of course E-4/E-7 would be great too :)

[Dieter]

Which does us no good here...

 

Was only a joke with an old mate :smilewink:

[DB 605]

mh no...to my knowledge and if memory serves me right, in cliffs of dover there is the Bf-109E-4 :)...but i would love a Friedrich and on DCS level.

 

F is coming in next TF patch :)

But yeah, DCS level F4 or G2 would be awesome. Or any model from F/G series...

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

^^i left clod once team fusion took control and started flying dcs. :)

there might be a F version in clod soon,...but i couldnt care less...i want one in dcs :)

[Conroy]

G10 first of all, an Erla for ex., just to have a different 3D. We need absolutely an MG151/20.

[greco.bernardi]

A F4, G2 or G6 will be amazing at DCS level on normandy map.

[Solty]

G6 would be cool, G2 and F4 would fit the P40F from VEAO.

 

But G6 has awesome potential to be many planes in one. Normal G6 with 20mm cannon and additional wing gunpods, G6/U4 30mm Mk108

 

Both could use additional wing gunpods with MG151 and MK108. With MW50 or without it. With old canopy and Earls canopy.

So many configs

[JG53_Jaguar]

I'm a big 109 fan, I would be happy to pay $50 of each of the following:

 

E-4

E-7

G-2

G-6

G-6/AS or G-14/AS

G-10 (Erla with MG151/20)

 

Getting G-10 would be the easiest version to get into DCS as its very similar to K-4 but uses MG151/20 and therefore it's lighter than K-4 and better suited for low to medium level dogfight. I personally love and prefer the G-10 as its almost as fast as K-4 but handles better than K-4 and uses MG151/20.

 

S!

 

I always enjoyed the old IL2, flying custom built campaign where I started with E-7 and finished with K-4. I would love to able to do the same thing in DCS one day :)

Edited January 1, 2017 by JG53_Jaguar

[MAD-MM]

After we getting Normandy Map as next Step, would be consider not build up the next 109 out of Time Line, as much I like also the G10.

After G6/AS was build conquer the better high altitude power from the allies and exclusive send to Western Front in Spring 1944 and later on equipped with MW50 would be good choice, would be also ground step for later development G14 is build out of the G6 Series and as mention G10 was the first step to the K4.

[x39crazy]

G-6 late and G-14 would be great

[Echo38]

"G-6 late"? That's some old IL-2 jargon right there. : D

 

"Late G-6" is a less perplexing way of shorthanding "a late-block G-6." Jus' sayin'.

 

But, yes, I agree. Some sort of later G-6 would be ideal, I think. Something with more power than the average G-6 (so that it doesn't get eaten for lunch), but something that isn't as much of a monster as the K-4.

[JST]

605AM -powered 109 G is another 1800hp, 3000kg, monster like the K-4.

 

Arguably better armament, as well.

[Echo38]

The idea is to get a commonly-utilized variant that's a roughly even competitive match for the 67" P-51D at normal multiplayer altitudes, not another mismatch like the K-4. Sounds like your variant would be a poor fit.

Edited April 7, 2017 by Echo38

[JST]

Any MW50 -retrofitted (605AM) G-6 or G-14 past spring 1944 fits the description. Common.

 

Hasn't it already been established that the P-51 is lacking period-proper boost?

[Brigg]

It would be awesome if we could have a G6/AS

[Echo38]

Any MW50 -retrofitted (605AM) G-6 or G-14 past spring 1944 fits the description.

 

I also said "roughly even competitive match." If it's a "monster like the K-4," then it isn't a good fit for the 67" Mustang, since the K-4 generally eats the 67" P-51 for lunch at normal multiplayer altitudes.

 

Hasn't it already been established that the P-51 is lacking period-proper boost?

 

Yes, we lack the common 72" rating, but I was talking about a competitive match for the (also common) 67" P-51. If we had 72", there wouldn't be a great need for a G-6 (from a competitive standpoint), because a 72" P-51D should be about up to the job of facing the K-4. Since we have a 67" P-51, some sort of intermediate-level G-6 (not a crappy standard G-6, but not a powerhouse variant, either) would be a good match for it, meeting both critera (a common historical opponent, and also an even competitive match).

 

Merely adding the 72" rating could solve the competitive problem, but then what's the point of having a 67" P-51, too, if there's no good competitive match for it? It'd stay in the hangar forever. Who's gonna take out a 67" P-51 versus a 109K, when there's a 72" option available? (Particularly since a 109K should still be a better dogfighter than even the 72" one.)

 

So, yes, the most practical solution would be to add the 72" rating, which would (presumably) take less development work than adding a 109G, but the ideal solution would be to both add the 72" (for P-51 vs 109K) and also add a 109G-6 (for 67" P-51 vs. 109G). Again, a not powerhouse-variant, but not the mediocre standard G-6, either.

 

Obviously, Eagle Dynamics being such a small team, the ideal solution is highly unlikely to be a feasible one. But, the thread is about the possibility (such as it is) of other 109 models, hence the discussion on which model/variant would be the best to add, if one were going to be added. Namely: one which is both a common historical opponent of the 67" P-51D, and also a good competitive match for it (neither dominating nor being dominated in a dogfight at normal multiplayer altitudes, which means <10,000 feet).

Edited April 7, 2017 by Echo38

[gavagai]

Merely adding the 72" rating could solve the competitive problem, but then what's the point of having a 67" P-51, too, if there's no good competitive match for it? It'd stay in the hangar forever. Who's gonna take out a 67" P-51 versus a 109K, when there's a 72" option available? (Particularly since a 109K should still be a better dogfighter than even the 72" one.)

 

A mission designer can limit the availability of the 72" P-51, just like he can limit availability of MW50 for the 109K-4. I've never seen a public mission that did so.