GTX1080 who is buying it?

[OldE24]

The 1080 pretty much stomps every other card out there including the Titan X by a good measure. I wouldn't expect anything less.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2016/05/17/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review-hail-to-the-king/#26a757ae5119

 

but it's also amusing to see things like this they just left out power parts, while YES they didnt need them it also limits there OC and they are charging extra for founder edition with "premium components" intresting to see what/if the aftermarket does with this.

 

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PS: i will not turn off my addblocker for forbes to give me crap adds.

[sniperwolfpk5]

i wish there was DCS 1080 benchmarks

 

DCS don't support DX12 or Volcan. I don't expect much increase in performance for DCS unless they add support for DX12. IMO there is no point to benchmark DCS

[sobek]

DCS don't support DX12 or Volcan. I don't expect much increase in performance for DCS unless they add support for DX12. IMO there is no point to benchmark DCS

 

Did any benchmark so far indicate that the DX11 performance is on the same level as previous generation cards?

[Mainstay]

With a GTX980Ti i only think its worth upgrading by the time the GTX1080Ti comes out. And even then the leap has to be at least between 25% and 30% increase overall to justify the switch.

 

But its still a personal thing in the end.

[Hadwell]

 

980ti = 100 fps average

1080 = 129 fps average

 

1080 = 29% faster than a 980ti, on average.

 

the 1080ti will have to be much faster than your 25% miniumum... since the non-ti is already more than that.

 

the 1080 non-ti is more than twice as fast as my 780, my 780 is 5-10 fps less than the 970 on average.

 

and lets keep in mind, these are 1080 OEM cards, first revisions, what asus and evga etc do with them, and what OC results can be got from better PCBs, coolers, hardware power management, drivers, etc, nobody knows.

Edited May 18, 2016 by Hadwell

[DeepDrummer]

I have been building or updating or repairing my own machines and machines for others since the very early 90s. The performance increases of newly released hardware are generally minimal really.

The hype always outways the actual results by a factor of ten.

I am talking about the advertising and not the actual numbers.

There is an aweful lot of money spent on bragging rights by people who just must have the latest and greatest thing.

More often than not proper tweaking of the whole system can eclipse the performance increases for typical users purchases if they don't look at the whole picture. I realize you folks know what you're doing and you have taught me tons to my surprise.

When I build my own machines or upgrade internals, I generally go for second best which is often half the price of the latest greatest.

This equates to a savings of 50% as compared to advertised performance increases of 20%. Patience is a virtue as prices usually go down by 50% a year from the release. That is where the price point usually makes more sense to me (and software begins to catch up). My EVGA GTX 980 4 gig doesn't even hickup and fps even in DCS is fantastic. Mind you, I sifted through some tweaking DCS performance thread here yesterday with great advice from some of you and especially a senior ed.

My fps in back to back tests actually doubled. We are talking flashing over 200 with an average of 120-150 in the cockpit and 70-90 in follow view. edit> it would dip down to 20 at times before I used your suggestions < Do not sync every frame was the best advice yet. I buy speed when I actually need it for something and not before but then again, I am not rich. The 1080 series will evolve into something very good when software requires it but when that happens what will the latest and greatest card actually be? I doubt it will be this one. The price point is inviting though.

No matter what card I use, it will not likely improve my skill level which is not optimal at all. ;)

Edited May 18, 2016 by DeepDrummer
Added info.

[sniperwolfpk5]

Did any benchmark so far indicate that the DX11 performance is on the same level as previous generation cards?

 

Well DX12 is not good yet in some cases DX11 is better than DX12 check this video

 

If that is the case as in the above video then new cards don't worth the money

[T_A]

My EVGA GTX 980 4 gig doesn't even hickup and fps even in DCS is fantastic. Mind you, I sifted through some tweaking DCS performance thread here yesterday with great advice from some of you and especially a senior ed.

My fps in back to back tests actually doubled. We are talking flashing over 200 with an average of 120-150 in the cockpit and 70-90 in follow view.

 

 

 

No offence but (according to your sig) you are using a 1080p monitor so of course a GTX980 will have no issue with.

 

These new cards are meant for 1440p as a minimal standard and even 4K to an extent (the 1080ti or next titan will be the first cards to really be fully 4k capable in any current game)

[SharpeXB]

No offence but (according to your sig) you are using a 1080p monitor so of course a GTX980 will have no issue with.

 

These new cards are meant for 1440p as a minimal standard and even 4K to an extent (the 1080ti or next titan will be the first cards to really be fully 4k capable in any current game)

Right, these cards are overkill for 1080p. Looking at those benchmarks above though it still seems if you want to be assured of a constant 60fps that's going to require 2x 1080s but that's substantially less $ than 2x Titan X :)

[Low Blow]

Going to hold out for Rift CV2 and 1080 ti. Good times ahead.

[hannibal]

seeing more news that DX11 has performance gains! sometimes even over DX12.

what it means for DCS, i dont know, but its leaning toward positive performance direction!

[SkateZilla]

how many of those dx 11 games push the DX API to the limit with object draw calls? None.

 

The only way to compare DCS to DCS is to use DCS.

[baldin]

The real flagships are coming around Q1 2017 with AMDs Vega and Nvidias 1080Ti / Titan. These are the cards you build a system around.

[hannibal]

how many of those dx 11 games push the DX API to the limit with object draw calls? None.

 

The only way to compare DCS to DCS is to use DCS.

 

totally agree. wish 1080 testers can benchmark DCS!

[FlightControl]

totally agree. wish 1080 testers can benchmark DCS!

 

 

 

You will be wasting the investment if your primary goal is to increase fps with the new 1080 using dcs... I run with a 560Ti and it runs smooth on 1920/1080 resolution. If there is a lot of processing for the cpu, fps drops dramatically with any card.... And most missions have a lot going on... The task for ED is to make the engine pre-emptive multi threaded... How hard would that be? (don't want to open again old school discussions about cpu bottlenecks but clearly, if ED isn't doing the investment, they'll fall behind. What is beter, a 3.0 Mhz with 4 cores used or a 5.0 Mhz with one core really used...)

 

And I also guess future CPUs will not be much faster, but will become much more expensive...

 

Sv.

Edited May 18, 2016 by FlightControl

[Abburo]

AMD with DX12 is way over Nvidia 1080 and that is a fact. I do expect future AMD to be 2 steps over.

 

Where Nvidia made a step over is the VR and the viewport approach which can add a substantial performance, even for those with multiscreen too. Otherwise, 1080 is just a bit better then current 900 series. Tests versu 980 SLI are completely irrelevant.

 

I heard from some sources that TI version for 1080 will not be available this year because of marketing strategies (older cards have to be sold somehow, right?).

 

Strongest points for 1080 are 8Gb of ram and higher GPU clock.

Weakest part is the lack of asyncronus processing needed by DX12 and already present since Fury for AMD...

[sobek]

This is starting to degrade into red vs. green...

[Hadwell]

When the vast majority of games are pure DX12, and not DX11 with a few DX12 features, then DX12 will matter...

 

there is just not a big enough sample of DX12 games out there to say AMD is better at DX12 definitively, and anyone saying such and such is better in DX12 is totally subjective.

 

another example is how AMD has 8 core CPU's but each individual core is shit, and most games use 1-4 cores...

 

so intel, having much better single cores, is better, even if 8 AMD cores combined is a decent amount of power...

Edited May 18, 2016 by Hadwell

[SkateZilla]

This is starting to degrade into red vs. green...

 

It's better than Green Stomping Red, and Driving prices up due to no competition. :music_whistling:

[sobek]

It's better than Green Stomping Red, and Driving prices up due to no competition. :music_whistling:

 

The discussion, not the market situation... :)

[Rangi]

This is starting to degrade into red vs. green...

 

Why can't they just come together and make yellow ;)

[Hadwell]

Why can't they just come together and make yellow ;)

 

red+green = brown, the same colour as poo...

 

 

here's what I think is going on behind the scenes... Nvidia and intel know that competition brings in money, so every time AMD catches up, they release something roughly 30% faster than AMDs fastest thing....

 

I wouldn't doubt that some deal was made between intel/nvidia and AMD....

 

could just be one huge conspiracy theory *puts on al-you-mini-um foil hat*

 

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Edited May 19, 2016 by Hadwell

[Nash]

I think it will be prudent to wait till the Zen and Polaris release to know if I want to consider AMD for future proofing or should I upgrade with Intel and Nvidia.:music_whistling:

 

The waiting game sucks though... been waiting for past 3 months already ...:noexpression:

 

OTOH DX12 and VR is the future ...

Decisions, decisions , decisions ... :doh:

[BitMaster]

What I need is a lift from the 50's into the 100's fps range for "some" scenarios in "some" airframes.

 

I really dont know if it is the CPU or GPU that bottlenecks it there. I should investigate before shelling out money in the wrong corner.

 

If I knew it would fix that " I AM DOWN TO 50 FPS WTF" I would consider buying it and passing my 980GTX to my son, still keeping the Gsynced 144Hz 1440p screen.

 

Once they are out and stable drivers around we will see how much faster DCS gets in the bottlenecks with already good performing setups.

 

This is moaning on a very high level btw and not really worth even 150 bucks imho, but my son keeps asking...LOL

[SkateZilla]

The discussion, not the market situation... :)

 

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