Pocket Sized Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) So, yeah. It takes 3 minutes to rebuild engines, replace swiss cheese'd wings, fix landing gear or anything else you could possibly think of... But it takes upwards of 5 minutes to refuel. (Only exception I've seen to this is the Huey, I could be wrong tho) What the H E C K Edit: I'm not saying the repair time should be increased. I quite like how it is now. I think the times should be ordered by how "involved" they are. So rearming would take the least time (let's ignore the problem of replacing gun ammo) then refueling, then repair. So refueling could be reduced to 2-3 minutes to fill the tanks maybe? Edited May 12, 2016 by Pocket Sized DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifofum Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 You would prefer to sit in your virtual bunk for weeks while a new aircraft is shipped/assembled? :lol: I think the refueling time is probably the more accurate of the two. THE GEORGIAN WAR - OFFICIAL F-15C DLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 You would prefer to sit in your virtual bunk for weeks while a new aircraft is shipped/assembled? :lol: I think the refueling time is probably the more accurate of the two. My point is that the repair time is totally fudged for gameplay reasons, so why isn't the fueling time? Or at the very least allow weapons to be loaded while fueling... DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 If you want to sit there for an hour/ go get coffee/have dinner and wait for real world.... its not an F1 pitstop - look what happens when the fuel spills City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feefifofum Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Because it doesn't need to be ridiculous? It's still pretty quick..the fuel truck is immediately at your position, pumping fuel. Your ground crew has every piece of ordnance within arm's reach and 40 invisible men to put them on your wings like a NASCAR pit crew. :lol: All a matter of opinion I suppose, but of all the nits to pick I found this a strange one.. THE GEORGIAN WAR - OFFICIAL F-15C DLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 If you want to sit there for an hour/ go get coffee/have dinner and wait for real world.... its not an F1 pitstop Well yeah, I'd rather not sit around for 5 minutes while fuel loads after waiting 3 minutes for my plane to be completely refurbished. Not saying the repair time needs to be increased, I'm saying the fueling time could take a similar route and be decreased in the intrests of gameplay. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 11, 2016 ED Team Share Posted May 11, 2016 My point is that the repair time is totally fudged for gameplay reasons, so why isn't the fueling time? Or at the very least allow weapons to be loaded while fueling... Its simple, refueling is reasonably realistic, repair is completely a game play feature and totally unrealistic. The timing of each being part of that. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 Its simple, refueling is reasonably realistic, repair is completely a game play feature and totally unrealistic. The timing of each being part of that. Oh. Never thought of it like that... DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Wouldn't it be better to have options in the gameplay settings for a feature like this? Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 So, yeah. It takes 3 minutes to rebuild engines, replace swiss cheese'd wings, fix landing gear or anything else you could possibly think of... But it takes upwards of 5 minutes to refuel. (Only exception I've seen to this is the Huey, I could be wrong tho) What the H E C K (I think I posted this in the wrong place? Feel free to move it if I did :doh:) I agree with you pocket size, it does take some time to refuel/defuel, specially aircraft like the SU-27/33. I am not sure why it is that way. At the moment, I use that time to get up, stretch, walk around. Maybe in the future they might shorten the time, lets hope. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Its simple, refueling is reasonably realistic, repair is completely a game play feature and totally unrealistic. The timing of each being part of that. Take more than 5 minutes to refuel and aircraft. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 11, 2016 ED Team Share Posted May 11, 2016 Take more than 5 minutes to refuel and aircraft. I said reasonably... I didnt say it was realistic... Compared to the repairs that are done in the sim, refueling is reasonable. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 At the moment, I use that time to get up, stretch, walk around. Maybe in the future they might shorten the time, lets hope. Same. Whenever I fly the SU-25T on Virtual Aerobatics I'll let my nav equipment align while I take half the fuel out. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I said reasonably... I didnt say it was realistic... Compared to the repairs that are done in the sim, refueling is reasonable. :D Same. Whenever I fly the SU-25T on Virtual Aerobatics I'll let my nav equipment align while I take half the fuel out. Same To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 [Video] How long did the actual refueling take though? I imagine the total preparation time would be much less in an active war. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 How long did the actual refueling take though? I imagine the total preparation time would be much less in an active war. Refueling is refueling, the process doesn't change from home station to a deployed location. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website | v303rd Fighter Group Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 How long did the actual refueling take though? I imagine the total preparation time would be much less in an active war. Like snoopy said, it does not change in a combat situation. About how long it takes? It depends on the aircraft, how much fuel you need, are you refueling from a truck or a in place ground equipment, is it inside our outside. On average, F-16 with wing tanks, around 15 to 30 minutes. Defuel is another beast, it could take more than an hour. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 if all you want is to get back up in the air asap you can just respawn your aircraft. some of us consider the time spent on the ground to be just as much a part of flying as air combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 Refueling is refueling, the process doesn't change from home station to a deployed location. I know. That's why I said "total preparation time." As in, time that isn't spent pumping fuel. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Like snoopy said, it does not change in a combat situation. About how long it takes? It depends on the aircraft, how much fuel you need, are you refueling from a truck or a in place ground equipment, is it inside our outside. On average, F-16 with wing tanks, around 15 to 30 minutes. Defuel is another beast, it could take more than an hour. About the same for the A-10, mostly depending on the fuel truck driver. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website | v303rd Fighter Group Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splash Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 If you want full realism, you won't be able to fly with a crashed aircraft for weeks or months. Some features as repair times need to modeled to be playable. In my opinion refueling and repair times are well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sryan Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Mvsgas what about a hotpit refuel? How long does that take? Check my F-15C guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Mvsgas what about a hotpit refuel? How long does that take? It's the same, we have to follow the same TO hotpits or not. 1 v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website | v303rd Fighter Group Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkellytx Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 About hot pits, I was always a bomber guy so we ERCC'd (Engine Running Crew Change), but all the former fighter guys I used to work with would say 20-45 min depending on air frame and load out, truck or in-ground. A Viper taking two bombs and 9,000 lbs of gas closer to 20 min, the Mud Hens taking 4-10 GBU-12/31/38 and 18,000 lbs of gas maybe 45-60 min. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Mvsgas what about a hotpit refuel? How long does that take? It's the same, we have to follow the same TO hotpits or not. Like Snoopy said, whether we are doing a Integrated Combat Turn (ICT later CT) a Quick Turnaround Inspections or a Basic Post flight/preflight inspections (BPO/PR), the refueling is about the same time. You can only transfer so many gallons per minute (gpm) from the truck and the aircraft can only take so many at a time. Aircraft like the F-117 where a paint because for a specific fuel load, each tank had a specific number, so you had to (by the book) fill each tank in the correct sequence and to a specific weight, but in the F-16 you just hook it up, tell the POL truck driver to start and wait for the truck to stop. Some fuel trucks/ in place refueling equipment are faster than others, some fuel truck drivers can get a few gpm more out of the equipment and some times nothing seem to be working right, fuel will leak out of the vent and you have one of those day. It all depends. 1 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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