Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[BodyOrgan]

The subject of rookie pilots using up valuable slots (like the only Mi-8 at Beslan) has been brought up before several times by both sides. So, I would like to ask for some direction here. I am not a rookie by the dictionary definition since I have been flying DCS for about 3 years now, but because of lack of time I never had any real training and my pilot skills are below average at best (mediocre really, compared to what I see on BF). So, for all practical purposes I count as a rookie.

 

I fly for Red and my favorites are Su-27, Su-25T and Ka-50. All of these get me killed quickly and I often loose all fighter/atack lives well before the next lives restart. So that leaves me with either the GCI slot (which I do occasionally even though I am not good at it and I sense people's frustration, though most are polite about it) or the Mi-8. I actually just started learning Mi-8 because of BF, so here I really am a rookie. Also, I usually only have time to fly when Red numbers are in single digits, so any pilot counts (or would count, if they were any good). I am normally on both TS and SRS. I try to help with missions as best as I can but in reality there is probably greater than 50% chance that I will die and jeopardize the mission. Sometimes I go on my own just not to interfere with the important plan because of that. But mostly I try to work with the team, though I feel being constantly limited by my skills and don't want to be a problem for the more experienced players.

 

Is BlueFlag really not for me?

 

Thanks

Pro tip, I learned to fly the Huey, and now this Mi-8 in Blue Flag.

 

Don't be afraid to ever join my flight group. I had the best laugh when we were setting up KUBs at the BE-TL FARP. That VRS stall faster than an F-15 buster into the earth had me in tears (of laughter). I've been in that same position so many times.

 

I appreciate your willingness to work with the rest of us more than you know. Even if we don't accomplish much.

[M0ltar]

The subject of rookie pilots using up valuable slots (like the only Mi-8 at Beslan) has been brought up before several times by both sides. So, I would like to ask for some direction here. I am not a rookie by the dictionary definition since I have been flying DCS for about 3 years now, but because of lack of time I never had any real training and my pilot skills are below average at best (mediocre really, compared to what I see on BF). So, for all practical purposes I count as a rookie.

 

I fly for Red and my favorites are Su-27, Su-25T and Ka-50. All of these get me killed quickly and I often loose all fighter/atack lives well before the next lives restart. So that leaves me with either the GCI slot (which I do occasionally even though I am not good at it and I sense people's frustration, though most are polite about it) or the Mi-8. I actually just started learning Mi-8 because of BF, so here I really am a rookie. Also, I usually only have time to fly when Red numbers are in single digits, so any pilot counts (or would count, if they were any good). I am normally on both TS and SRS. I try to help with missions as best as I can but in reality there is probably greater than 50% chance that I will die and jeopardize the mission. Sometimes I go on my own just not to interfere with the important plan because of that. But mostly I try to work with the team, though I feel being constantly limited by my skills and don't want to be a problem for the more experienced players.

 

Is BlueFlag really not for me?

 

Thanks

 

I don't think there is anyone that is upset about new players in Blue Flag. What irks people is when players, new or old, don't communicate with the rest of the team and take up valuable assets. The other thing that I think pushes people the wrong way is when people overstate their abilities and have the team trust them to do a task that they do not have the abilities to finish.

 

I understand that people need to fail to learn so don't take the above the wrong way. Being on a team is all about communication and allowing others to fill your shortfalls.

[Pronin]

i think people need stop being so upset when losing

[bolek]

The other thing that I think pushes people the wrong way is when people overstate their abilities and have the team trust them to do a task that they do not have the abilities to finish.

 

Yes, this. I understand perfectly.

 

One thing that I learned the hard way was that there is a big difference between being able to accomplish something (e.g. attack a FARP with Su-25T) in a test mission in a controlled environment with plenty of time and doing the same thing on a multiplayer server, in the heat of the battle, with others counting on you and when time is of an essence. This was quite a humiliating (and eye-opening) experience for me.

 

But thanks guys for the advice and encouragement. Let the fight go on!

[M0ltar]

i think people need stop being so upset when losing

 

I don't think really anyone is made about losing. Its about the experience. I don't care if we lose something or lose the entire campaign. Its all about the experience and going through it. Yes people complain, but again thats about how the round is going. I have not seen 1 person post about how they are upset about how they are losing. People are upset about the experience they are having on the server.

[M0ltar]

Yes, this. I understand perfectly.

 

One thing that I learned the hard way was that there is a big difference between being able to accomplish something (e.g. attack a FARP with Su-25T) in a test mission in a controlled environment with plenty of time and doing the same thing on a multiplayer server, in the heat of the battle, with others counting on you and when time is of an essence. This was quite a humiliating (and eye-opening) experience for me.

 

But thanks guys for the advice and encouragement. Let the fight go on!

 

Bolek, no worries about having trouble. Again, its about people more overstating themselves than learning.

Edited August 6, 2016 by M0ltar

[Pronin]

why mig29 slots so limited?

every base has so many su27 but always very little migs.

[microvax]

Yes, this. I understand perfectly.

 

One thing that I learned the hard way was that there is a big difference between being able to accomplish something (e.g. attack a FARP with Su-25T) in a test mission in a controlled environment with plenty of time and doing the same thing on a multiplayer server, in the heat of the battle, with others counting on you and when time is of an essence. This was quite a humiliating (and eye-opening) experience for me.

 

But thanks guys for the advice and encouragement. Let the fight go on!

 

I know the feels, flying DCS since february. Hell my first flights in blueflag ended terribly. xD

[Hedhunta]

YOU'RE WELCOME BLUE. 4-Ship HELOS REPRESENT. Thanks to all the CAP and CAS tonight guys!!

[Enduro14]

Lol your welcome for 34 vs 8 ... No worries when the rest of us wake up in Europe we will take it back.

[Beeroshima]

Lol your welcome for 34 vs 8 ... No worries when the rest of us wake up in Europe we will take it back.

Indeed. This round has been about moral victories and attrition.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[Pronin]

Lol your welcome for 34 vs 8 ... No worries when the rest of us wake up in Europe we will take it back.

 

We are trying our BEST!!!!!

 

FULCRUMS defending base as long as possible. :helpsmilie::helpsmilie::helpsmilie:

[Enduro14]

News Team Assemble!

[roccoo]

It's impossible to defend Beslan from such a horde of blues with 1 mi-8. :(

[kobeshow]

It's impossible to defend Beslan from such a horde of blues with 1 mi-8. :(

 

 

yes, I wish more people were active on the BuddySpike site and took part in the tactical discussion in Red HQ, maybe they would then realise how important Pak3 is as opposed to defending Maykop

[microvax]

I wished we had any discussion in bluefor HQ. XD

 

But yeah pak3 is really important for redfor, that is correct.

[holimoli]

Could you add some Su33 slots ? thanks!

[microvax]

Could you add some Su33 slots ? thanks!

 

If its FM wasnt the way it is, I would be all for it. But with the FM it has atm its simply spaceship. :D

[NaCH]

It's impossible to defend Beslan from such a horde of blues with 1 mi-8. :(

 

Quoting other players: "NAH red should be able to hold no matter the odds... Red are more organized and have more experience" oh and to top it..." they have better players"

Edited August 6, 2016 by NaCH

[NaCH]

If its FM wasnt the way it is, I would be all for it. But with the FM it has atm its simply spaceship. :D

 

Well following that line of tough the F15 can turn without stress fatigue, the mirage 2000 turns like and holds like vectored plane, not to mention the damage model.

 

But yeah, the mig29 is borked and su33 too so remove it...

[mia389]

Well following that line of tough the F15 can turn without stress fatigue, the mirage 2000 turns like and holds like vectored plane, not to mention the damage model.

 

But yeah, the mig29 is borked and su33 too so remove it...

 

Here we go again......

[BodyOrgan]

Here we go again......

I think they should add the 33. A lot of people like to fly it, and it is no more broken than some of the Bluefor aircraft.

[IASGATG]

Pretty sure the MiG-29 is harder to kill than the Mirage. The MiG-29 is typically 1 slammer and 2 heaters to kill.

 

As for the Su-33 flight model. [ame]

[/ame] go to 3:30 and watch how retarded is.

 

That being said, the su-33 is a piece of junk, so put it in, wont make a difference balance wise.

Edited August 6, 2016 by IASGATG

[microvax]

Well following that line of tough the F15 can turn without stress fatigue, the mirage 2000 turns like and holds like vectored plane, not to mention the damage model.

 

But yeah, the mig29 is borked and su33 too so remove it...

 

I cant make a statement about the f15s rigidness and I will not speculate about that, since I simply do not know enough about the 15.

 

The mirage 2000 is according to everything I know of how it behaves irl fine FM wise, also it doesnt break with my knowledge of math and physics. OFC you can switch the FBW gain controll to fixed and then it will do some seriously phyisx stuff. But the same is the case with the su27, you simply cant model theese edgecases of unstable flight conditions without having the computational requirement which exceeds every single one of our machines no matter how overkill they are.

The su33 meanwhile is lightyears away from its obvious brother the su27 in terms of

aerodynamics in this simulation, misses things like stalling nearly completely and I mean honestly

its just very arcady. I do not mind broken edgecases with limiter switched off here either, but normal flight is already spaceship level. It does not even stall the engines if you are at beyond ridicoulous AoA and should be stalling.

 

Meanwhile if you stretch the mirages envelope to much the engine simply stalls and you are falling out off the sky like the unstable piece of metal you were without your FBW computer.

 

Also the mirage 2000 is in beta and is getting fixes every week as long as ED does patch and doesnt screw up. I didnt see an su33 patch in approx. 300 years.

 

There is the major difference I do see between the su33 and mirage.

While the mirage FM might not be perfect, its solid by everything I do know.

The Su33 SFM is simple spaceship. I do not even need to know how it should perform, it is simply breaking physix atm.

And while the mirage is sitting there beeing worked on the su33 didnt receive a big patch, nor is there constant contact with ED about its flight behaviour to my knowledge.

 

On the other hand the mig29 got a new external model so is obviously getting worked on and is imho not as borderline ridicoulous as the su33 behaviour.

 

 

In the end I would be fine if both mirage and mig29 got removed for beeing a lil broken in some aspects.

But due to my observations the su33 is simply overall on a whole different level then "lil broken".

 

:D If you do think the mirage 2000 is as broken as the su33 atm, please provide sources and or scientific reasons why you think so.

[Frostie]

Yes because Su33 is so much easier to dogfight in than anything else, this is why it rules the skies in servers and dogfight comps. :confused:

I think too much thought goes into the negative side of a standard flight models when a large portion of the flight model is pretty good. Yes its not perfect but certainly not to be drawn in comparison with spacecraft and arcade.