TAW_Impalor Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) They look extremely unnatural and distracting in VR. Maybe add some scratches instead. Edited June 26, 2018 by impalor 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I could not agree more. It's very distracting and ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 +1, this needs to be sorted out The MIG-15 is unflyable in its current state and as such if people online ask if it is worrth buying I say NO in its current state METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoen Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 +1, this needs to be sorted out The MIG-15 is unflyable in its current state and as such if people online ask if it is worrth buying I say NO in its current state Its not THAT bad. The reflections are a bit annoying but it's most definitely not un-flyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discwalker Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 +1 Please remove static HUD reflections as well GTX 1070 8GB, 16GB DDR3, W8.1 on SSD, DCS on another SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted August 15, 2018 ED Team Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just looking at this now, seems very subtle to me. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiumR Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 +1 ASUS ROG G701VI-XS72K 17.3" - i7 7820HK - GTX 1080 8GB - 32 GB 2666mhz - 512 GB SSD - Win10 Pro 64-Bit - T̶r̶a̶c̶k̶I̶R̶5̶ - Samsung Odyssey HMD!! (Amazing!!) - X56 Rhino HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCBraun Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just looking at this now, seems very subtle to me. Are you testing in VR? Any static reflections look awful in VR. Intel i7-13700k | Zotac Trinity RTX 4090 | Asrock B660 Steel Legend | 32Gb RAM 3600 | 2TB NVMe + 2TB SSD + 8TB HDD | Corsair TX850M | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | LG 4K OLED 48CX8LC Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiumR Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Are you testing in VR? Any static reflections look awful in VR. Yes. It looks very..... fake. ASUS ROG G701VI-XS72K 17.3" - i7 7820HK - GTX 1080 8GB - 32 GB 2666mhz - 512 GB SSD - Win10 Pro 64-Bit - T̶r̶a̶c̶k̶I̶R̶5̶ - Samsung Odyssey HMD!! (Amazing!!) - X56 Rhino HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Is something Id really like to see for every module in DCS, the option to choose clean reflection free canopy , just as we can choose different language cockpits etc. As already mentioned, any fake reflection is annoying in VR. In VR we sense depth, and the fake reflections dont have any depth, so its just this pixelated surface in 'space'. Goes for dial surfaces too for that matter. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torso Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just looking at this now, seems very subtle to me. That pic is in no way indicative of what we see. Also the position and time of day can make even reflections in 2d terrible. And in VR, it is a whole different ballgame. Is something Id really like to see for every module in DCS, the option to choose clean reflection free canopy , just as we can choose different language cockpits etc. As already mentioned, any fake reflection is annoying in VR. In VR we sense depth, and the fake reflections dont have any depth, so its just this pixelated surface in 'space'. Goes for dial surfaces too for that matter. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 That pic is in no way indicative of what we see. Also the position and time of day can make even reflections in 2d terrible. And in VR, it is a whole different ballgame. +1. This man is right. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Just looking at this now, seems very subtle to me. Does that look very subtle? ;) Edited August 18, 2018 by Akatsuki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leapingrodent Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I agree, it looks bad in VR, very distracting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Unflyable? Rofl, if you say so Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortisrose Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) The result after I blurred and faded out the reflections: Edited August 30, 2018 by Mortisrose i7 7700k, 32 GB RAM, GTX 1080, 500 GB NVMe m.2 SSD, Trackir 3 Pro, Gunfighter Mk I w/MCG; Mod. TM Cougar throttle and Mod. CH Pro Pedals w/Pro Micro + MMjoy2, Nostromo n52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I like how it's still marked "No Bug" when Akatsuki's picture shows there's a problem for some people and clearly refutes Sith's picture. If people are seeing it as bad as that, it probably does need looking into. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted August 31, 2018 ED Team Share Posted August 31, 2018 It doesn't clearly refute anything, my personal opinion is they are strong but not unrealistic. I only wish the image was smooth. While moving, it rarely causes a problem, and when it does, I am not so sure that is unreasonable to think it happens in the real thing. I am asking a pilot his opinion and will go from there. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I'm also not a fan of it. No it doesn't make it unflyable but to suggest it looks realistic... at all.... in the slightest.... is unrealistic. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) It's also very low resolution which makes it even more terrible. It's the only issue i have with this module, it's very very nice except when this reflection pop up and distract you from your target as it's soooo bad. Scratches would be so much better... Edited August 31, 2018 by Akatsuki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lixma 06 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just looking at this now, seems very subtle to me. If only they stayed that subtle.... They were OK in 1.5.x days, i.e. before the new renderer, but now they're really ugly. Maybe they will be reworked for the LO4 release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted September 1, 2018 ED Team Share Posted September 1, 2018 The only thing I will report is how low-res and chunky the reflections look, the amount they show has been confirmed realistic by Mr Grey, he has plenty of experience in this type of cockpit. In fact, he stated that in some cases other modules are underdone. I asked him of course because my cockpit is generally a Ford Edge, but even then you can see some pretty good examples of reflections with different light conditions. Pictures are great, but generally dont show the whole story, while you are moving and flying, the amount changes, and is blocked by shadows and such. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lixma 06 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 The problem with the current Mig-15 reflections isn't that they're a bit blocky - it's because they look exactly like textures painted on the canopy. I'm sure Nick Grey is right about how intrusive reflections can be - but until we can model reflections properly in 3D with parallax and all that good stuff we're stuck with textures painted to the canopy. And the more intrusive you make them the more terribly obvious it becomes that you're looking at a texture stuck to the canopy. So you have to dial them back a bit. In terms of intrusiveness the reflections in 1.5.x might have been underdone but at least they didn't scream 'TEXTURE' at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest arc_tander Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I agree in VR they are extremely immersion breaking because when they do show, they are: 1) Static. 2) Extremely low res These two combined make them very fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redglyph Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 It doesn't clearly refute anything, my personal opinion is they are strong but not unrealistic. I only wish the image was smooth. While moving, it rarely causes a problem, and when it does, I am not so sure that is unreasonable to think it happens in the real thing. I am asking a pilot his opinion and will go from there. Pilot's opinion (but definitely not on this bird or anything close): when you fly in a real aircraft, your vision is focused on infinity, and those reflections tend to be discarded because they are much closer and thus become blurry. In the simulation they are on the same screen, the eyes are focusing on them as well as what is behind the canopy, and so they are obfuscating the view to a greater extent in the sim than in reality. It doesn't look as if that had been taken into account (some games have that feature but I doubt it would be easy or even desirable in DCS). It is possible to roll the aircraft a bit if they become really annoying, such as when you have the sun directly behind. It's possible to move one's head also, but not on those models since those pilots are fastened quite securely to their seat, and the cockpit offers little room to move. In the sim, it is still possible to roll the aircraft, but the position of the head has not been taken into account, those images are static. So moving slightly the head has less effect than in the real cockpit, there the curvature of the canopy makes the reflection move around differently (hard to explain in a few words but look at a curved mirror and you'll see the effect). This difference makes the reflection more obstructive in the simulation, sometimes. The combination of this and the previous limitation makes them look as stains, not reflections, which is distracting. I haven't tried during the night. At that time, in a real cockpit, it is very annoying, I suspect this becomes the opposite in the sim? On the other hand, the fact the reflections are not taking the head's position would become even more noticeable and break the realism further. System specs: Win7 x64 | CPU: i7-4770K | RAM: 16 GB | GPU: GTX 980 Ti 6 GB | Thrustmaster HOTAS | MFG rudder pedals | SATA3 SSD | TrackIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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