I run High on 1.58, but only low on 2.5, WHY?

[Flarpt]

This is an honest reality for I think most people not running Cray super computers.

I can run highest settings all across the board in 1.5.8, with all the same aircraft, and I get smooth, almost stutter free 90 to 144 fps. Pure pleasure to fly. Beautiful. Pity it took over a decade to finally get to enjoy this engine. using Reshade-me and project lasso.

But....

DCS World 2.5 Beta & Stable latest build I am forced to run low to medium, and OFF on almost all the eye-candy just to maintain a very flawed and micro-stuttered 42 to 52 fps. Yes, all AA and ansio OFF at Nvidia control panel.

I'd list my PC specs here, but knowing it is good enough for 1.5.8 I'd like to skip 3 pages of hearing all the jive about not cutting edge and how complicated DCS is blah-blah:doh:

 

This post is different see, SAME aircraft, SAME PC, SAME reality. The 2.5 is the problem, not my PC, not the aircraft and not Trump. So, will this take the next 8 years to polish and make work?

 

Like all my friends here I'd like to spend more time flying than we all do searching for community fixes and tricks just to make the sim run a teeny-tiny pinch more like the advertising.

Dear Devs, how long, what's the skinny on the situation? Please just let us know what's being done, bless us with some timeframe, give us something to look forward to.

Anything please?

I'll take yet another user-discovered fps tweak any day of course, but what I am after is what I see in 1.5.8, the good performance+Pretty [with ReshadeMe]. So, I know it is possible for the 95% of us users without Cray Super computers.

 

***Perhaps we can take some things from 1.5.8 and apply them to 2.5 as options, a clickable option's menue item to rollback to something proven-stable that works maybe?

Thank you friends.:)

[Flagrum]

So, basically you want the benefits of 2.5.2 but only for the ressource requirements of 1.5.8?

 

Yes, in 8 years, your then current PC will run 2.5.2 probably as your now current PC runs 1.5.8. But then you probably will complain about DCS 3.7 that is then state of the art...

[BIGNEWY]

2.5 is better, but is more demanding on your machine, that is the reality of the situation.

 

Choose to stay with 1.5.8, or move on, adapt to the changes with 2.5, it is the future and more changes are to come, it is the nature of software.

[Flarpt]

Ah, a Flagrum strawman argument. Yes, I'd like to see 2.5 run well, as I repeated in my post. Shouldn't take 8 years and 2 PC upgrades to achieve the advertising.

 

I note that you do not have an answer or a tweak but rather you have only shared your own complaint against me for asking for any hope. At least my post ends with a possible solution to offer the devs and community. What'd your stilted reply do for any of us?

 

To those that care about the sim and the people in the community; What makes2.5 so much worse in performance?

* is it the dozen speedtrees per square meter, is it the beautiful new anims, is it coding or shader related, is it fixable? It certainly is not splash damage detection, which has not been addressed the 15 years I've been flying DCS, so what is the honest culprit and where can people like me learn what is being done about it, and when hope can be looked forward to?

What is killing 2.5 performance for so many pilots?

 

So, if this is not the precise address for the question then where do I ask for what we have to look forward to and where do I offer my feeble solution-suggestions and posts please☺?

Thank you friends.☺

[tintifaxl]

The major performance loss is called "Deferred Shading". In my opinion it looks a lot better, but it surlely is an fps eater.

[Art-J]

Tintifaxl pretty much nailed it. Not much to add really.

[BitMaster]

When you are in the game with top tier flight sims for so many years I am aksing myself truely how you got that far with that attitude to hardware and not loose fun doing it.

 

 

It has never ever been different, flight sims have always demanded the fastest rigs in every aspect, CPU RAM SSD GPU and I am afraid this won't change soon.

 

 

If you haven't upgraded in 8 years, don't blame ED. We are all happy 2.5 performs as it does, way better than 1.5 ever did.

[Dugong]

When you are in the game with top tier flight sims for so many years I am aksing myself truely how you got that far with that .

 

We don't want your money/ the post.

[baronnomis]

I may be totally wrong here but: I have the feeling that each engine has its sweetspot of enabled features/settings. If you turn everything off in 2.5, it would not run as fast on slow machines as 1.5. And it goes other way as well: if you max out 1.5 and mod it to infinity to look like 2.5....it would not run as fast as 2.5.

[BIGNEWY]

2.5 is not 1.5 you have to treat it differently, tweak it to suit your needs differently.

 

I get great performance with my medium end machine in 2.5, I understand other's see different results but it is all about finding the sweet spot for your machine.

[joey45]

What's your PC specs?

[Johnny Dioxin]

 

It has never ever been different, flight sims have always demanded the fastest rigs in every aspect, CPU RAM SSD GPU and I am afraid this won't change soon.

 

This is completely untrue. I've never had "the fastest rigs in every respect"

 

Every other sim I have had I have run on high settings and had excellent performance - including VR - whilst wondering what people with performance woes were complaining about (also including 1.5.8 )

 

All my rigs have been at the top end of the medium performance range. Never had a top of the range CPU, RAM, Motherboard and only once had a top of the range GPU as it was about to be replaced by the new DX10 cards.. I can't afford such things.

 

So that statement is complete hogwash.

[BitMaster]

I did not say the most expensive, but top notch peforming.

 

 

Hogwash...maybe...but mine runs fluent

 

 

my 2600k was not top of the line, neither was my 6700k or 7700k and my 8700k is also NOT top of the line or most expensive.

 

 

But all ran 4.7-5G or more and my GPU's always were from the top-1-down.

 

 

 

 

I am no rich man, but when I go to a shooting I carry a gun and not a knife..and if I only have a knife I either dont go there or dont moan.

Edited July 2, 2018 by BitMaster

[rrohde]

"Software sells hardware" - always been like that. :)

[Johnny Dioxin]

I did not say the most expensive, but top notch peforming.

 

 

Hogwash...maybe...but mine runs fluent

 

 

my 2600k was not top of the line, neither was my 6700k or 7700k and my 8700k is also NOT top of the line or most expensive.

 

 

But all ran 4.7-5G or more and my GPU's always were from the top-1-down.

 

 

 

 

I am no rich man, but when I go to a shooting I carry a gun and not a knife..and if I only have a knife I either dont go there or dont moan.

 

Very helpful.

[Dugong]

The problem is the uncertainty. There are reports of high end hardware running badly and low end hardware running fine AND vice verse.

 

There is no guarantee that dropping a couple of thousand on hardware upgrades will fix things, so why would you until ED fix the engine?

[Johnny Dioxin]

Absolutely.

 

Would be nice to have known, but my crystal ball batteries were running low that day. :cry:

 

I was running 1.5.8 on an i5 2500k @4.3GHz with 8GB of 1066 RAM and a GTX970 4GB and I was having zero issues (in VR), In fact, I wasn't having any problems at all with any of my sims or games with VR.

 

With 2.5 looming, I used the then recommended spec (turn of the year) as a guide to upgrade and bought an i5 4690k (also o/c to 4.3GHz), 16GB of 2133 RAM and a GTX1060 6GB.

 

Problem was, after 2.5 arrived this wasn't enough - and then the spec was upped to a GTX1080Ti of all things - and they are very expensive, even without the crypto-mining madness.

 

So now I feel I upgraded for nothing and that money - of which I have very little as I am unable to work (or the buggers that I could work for are too discriminatory to give me a job) and depend on a pension, so there is no chance of me upgrading again for a couple of years. Even then, I may not be able to afford what's required. So it was money down the drain.

 

I can fly in VR in 2.5 - but only free flight and on low settings. So it's back to the monitor and TrackIR - which I already expressed my feelings about in my censored post from when my Rift was being replaced. Basically it's like going from a huge curved screen with perfect head tracking to a 800x600 CRT. Near enough, anyway. The only reason I use 2.5 at all is because of the amount of money I have invested in add-ons that require that version to work.

 

I do my VR in 1.5.8 (which I am quite happy with for Caucasus), which precludes me from using some expensive add-ons I bought, in that environment. All I have now is hope that things will improve, as far as required spec is concerned.

 

So I think you could understand me being just a little 'disappointed' to say the least. :)

 

I think this is probably a little OT - not sure, but it's all I will post on my personal situation - no point in going on about it.

 

PS - it also, of course, means that there is no point whatsoever in buying anything more for DCS World.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Brixmis

[Charlie-1]

Performance and quality has declined considerably since 2.5 switched to deferred shading and especially notable in VR. The thing is no one important reads this feedback or cares to do anything about it.

It's also fair to say everything I've purchased, downloaded for DCS is either broken or unfinished, so best solution I found is to enjoy flying again with 1.58 or play and spend elsewhere.

[KoN]

I'm finding 2.5 looks awful for me . I think i might go back to 1.5.8 .

Looking outside my cockpit in 2.5 I feel some thing isn't looking right .I see these youtube videos but mine looks nothing like that .

In fact graphic wise I've gone backwards . Lol

[Mars Exulte]

@Brixmis

My dad is running 2.5 with a 1060 and AMD FX83...something.... Granted he has overclocked it more than a full gigahertz (talk about winning the silicon lottery o.O) but still, it works is the point. I even played it on his the other day. He needs to put it on an SSD which will cure some of his stutters, and obviously it doesn't run as well as mine does, but it was def playable.

[badbud]

Quote: "Less performance means less people buying ED products. No one buys software that he cannot run."

 

 

My comment also. Am staying with 1.5.8. The $ spent has passed the pleasure gained.

 

 

Badbud

[Johnny Dioxin]

@Brixmis

My dad is running 2.5 with a 1060 and AMD FX83...something.... Granted he has overclocked it more than a full gigahertz (talk about winning the silicon lottery o.O) but still, it works is the point. I even played it on his the other day. He needs to put it on an SSD which will cure some of his stutters, and obviously it doesn't run as well as mine does, but it was def playable.

 

I have had it working fine a few days now. OK, I had to lower PD to 1.0 and get rid of the grass clutter etc and reduced trees and distance of preload - but it now works very smoothly. The detail isn't great - pretty much FC2 level - but it's enough for now.

 

In any case, with the mod from Kegetys and ED looking into the adjustments he made, this may soon no longer be an issue.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=215373