J13 Serenity Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) recent tests showed: all speeds approximate Clean spitfire (long wings) 1000 feet speed: ~320 mph Spitfire with any drop tank speed: ~320 mph Spitfire After any drop tank jettisoned: ~320 mph Spitfire with 2 bombs: ~320mph Spitfire with 3 bombs: ~320 mph Spitfire after dropping any bomb configuration (Bomb pylons remain): ~370 mph!!! Almost as fast as FW190 with MW50!!! Spitfire after bomb pylons jettisoned: back to ~320 mph!!! The canopy open or closed apparently has no effect on speed Other things: Canopy glass is still present with canopy opened Edited July 9, 2018 by J13 Serenity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 There is a youtube video reporting the opposite thing. The speed is changing with different stores. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saburo_cz Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think that there is not calculated (probably) external stores drag, it seems that only weight is. I had similar resutls like Serenity. I tried only stores under fuselage and when they were carried by Spitfires (for both models) the loss of speed was around 2-4km/h (external view F2 - True Speed) - it is totaly marginal, nearly nothing, it looks like loss due to increased plane weight. When i dropped external fuel tanks, speed went back to the same speed like clean Spitfire flies. But, when i dropped 500lbs bomb, Spitfire got some kind of "extra boost" and speed rose 24km/h above speed reached with clean Spitfire, again both models. Did not tried efect caused by undewings stores and did not tried to release pylons. All tests i performed with the same conditions and flight path... F6F P-51D | P-47D | Mosquito FB Mk VI | Spitfire | Fw 190D | Fw 190A | Bf 109K | WWII Assets Pack Normandy 2 | The Channel | Sinai | Syria | PG | NTTR | South Atlantic F-4E | F-14A/B | F-15E | F/A-18 | F-86 | F-16C | A-10C | FC-3 | CA | SC | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J13 Serenity Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Don't know about video with opposite results, but know that me and my friends were chasing and overtaking BF109 and WF190 on Burning Skies yesterday with bomb pylons... And that by having 3 bombs I was easily maintaining formation with friends on clean spitfires maintaining same MP and RPM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Thats wrong for sure. Thanks for the test, i hope ED will test the FM, drag, and perfomance with external stores in next updates. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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philstyle Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 There is a youtube video reporting the opposite thing. The speed is changing with different stores. If you are talking about my video then no, it doesn't show the opposite thing. I was very confused when there was no speed increase after tank release, but the speed DID keep climbing after the bomb drop. This matches the results that Serenity got here. Something is very wrong with the FM now, and it relates to the tanks and bombs. 18 months this has been worked on, apparently... On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/philstylenz Storm of War WW2 server website: https://stormofwar.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Anyone try the clipped wing yet? Im on hiatus from DCS, though I do lurk on the forums waiting for the Tomcat. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philstyle Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Anyone try the clipped wing yet? Im on hiatus from DCS, though I do lurk on the forums waiting for the Tomcat. loads of people online are flying it. I prefer the C wing, personally. On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/philstylenz Storm of War WW2 server website: https://stormofwar.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) Anyone try the clipped wing yet? Im on hiatus from DCS, though I do lurk on the forums waiting for the Tomcat. If the CW is an accurate reflection of what I've read happened in reality, then: - The CW is slightly faster at low altitude (sub 20k feet) - The CW is slightly slower at higher altitudes (above 20k feet) and has a slower climb rate - The CW accelerates faster at lower speeds. Got the impression that it wasn't a major difference - The roll rate/sec increased by something like 50% In short, the CW would generally be better for low altitude work and suddenly has a roll rate that allows it to keep pace with a 190. Here's a chart I found on roll rates, as they are speed dependent: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/naca868-rollchart.jpg Edited July 10, 2018 by Mr_sukebe System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflected Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I also got 350 mph at sea level in the normal Spit after dropping my 3 bombs. Something is wrong here.. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 MW50 for the Spit... Sorry, shouldn’t laugh System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Well, you guys wanted 25lbs Spit, there you go, only the boost enable procedure is a bit awkward :D. Enjoy it while it's here ;). i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultFace Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Influence of Bombs on top Speed Currently the Spit IX will still achieve its top speed of ~325-330 mph with Bombs loaded. After dropping said Bombs the Spit IX can achieve a maximum speed at sea level of about 380 MPH (612 km/h), which is significantly more than the real Spit IX could achieve at sea level (~333-336MPH). I've attached a track below, as well as a video showing the issue. 9./JG27 "If you can't hit anything, it's because you suck. If you get shot down, it's because you suck. You and me, we know we suck, and that makes it ok." - Worst person in all of DCS "In the end, which will never come, we will all be satisifed... we must fight them on forum, we will fight them on reddit..." - Dunravin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflected Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Any chance for a fix, please? People are abusing this online, big time. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philstyle Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Yeah, this is pretty bad and needs to be fixed. The spits should not be that fast. It's clearly an FM bug. On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/philstylenz Storm of War WW2 server website: https://stormofwar.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philstyle Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Already a thread on this.. but nothing from ED yet. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=215398 There's no way this module is finished . . It's kind-of embarassing. On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/philstylenz Storm of War WW2 server website: https://stormofwar.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogonaut Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsild Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 It is a pity to fix so a good :lol: mistake. MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4, Kingston 3600 MHz 64 Gb, i5 12600K, Gigabyte RTX 4090, Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus,VKB NXT Premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflected Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I just used this bug online and achieved 380 mph IAS, and managed to catch a Dora in level flight. :o Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJockel Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Oh, there is the explanation on why i couldn't outrun a Spit, a week or something ago. Wow [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliff13 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Still no progress? C'mon, ED, fix your stuff! :mad: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71st_Mastiff Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 DCS Spitfire IX Fixed bombs drag issue I lol'ed when I seen this was fixed faster than the canopy bug.. lol.. " any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back, " W Forbes "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Winston Churchill " He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 || MSI RTX 4080S|Game1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus|| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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