stuttering in key binding menu

[Hammer1-1]

I can barely change key commands in the menu while in VR. While the mouse drags over menu options, I get nasty stuttering that freezes my pc for about 10-15 seconds for no reason whatsoever. I dont recall it being this bad before, but its been about 2-3 weeks since I last flown.

[Hammer1-1]

nothing?

[PravusJSB]

Yes ive noticed this in the latest beta, not sure how to rectify though but its not causing me too many issues.

[yoyshosei]

I have had this issue only while in a mission or multiplayer for the last several patches. It has been worse since the 16's release to the point that if I need to change bindings I will back out of the mission.

[=Panther=]

I get this as well, rather frustrating at times. Don't know what caused it, but it started for me roughly a patch before the Viper dropped.

[Hammer1-1]

Mapping the joystick now in VR is unplayable now. I knew it wasnt just me..

[dburne]

Odd, I am having no troubles in the joystick mapping menu in VR.

[DayGlow]

I have found as pixel density increases, the stuttering the control menu increases

[Hammer1-1]

I use the default pixel density

[robgraham]

I had this start to happen about the same time as the 16 release as well though it's hard to tell if it was the 16 or a steamvr update that's caused it (they both released updates about the same period).

 

I know that the new lets pause a frame thing rather then drop to the time out screen seems to compound things at times.. wondering if there related?

[parxuk]

I thought it was just me. Glad i'm not the only one. Can confirm this has been an issue since getting the F16.

[mia389]

Last update did something to the menu. Happens to me in the MP menu as well.

[Tom Kazansky]

On 10/6/2019 at 10:38 PM, Hammer1-1 said:

I can barely change key commands in the menu while in VR. While the mouse drags over menu options, I get nasty stuttering that freezes my pc for about 10-15 seconds for no reason whatsoever. I dont recall it being this bad before, but its been about 2-3 weeks since I last flown.

We have 2024 and I have this issue with DCS for some months now, getting worse it seems.

As soon as I return to game, everything works fine and smooth. Only the control settings menu goes crazy while flying in VR.

Has anyone here found a solution for this issue?

Edited May 23, 2024 by Tom Kazansky

[Mr_sukebe]

1 minute ago, Tom Kazansky said:

We have 2024 and I have this issue with DCS for some months now, getting worse it seems.

As soon as I return to game, everything works fine and smooth. Only the control settings menu goes crazy while flying in VR.

Has anyone here found a solution for this issue?

 

 

No solution, but what's your CPU usage like?  

I was having the same earlier, and two of my 8 CPU cores were maxed out.

[Tom Kazansky]

3 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

 

No solution, but what's your CPU usage like?  

I was having the same earlier, and two of my 8 CPU cores were maxed out.

Thanks. Will check that tomorrow and post what I'll find out.

Can you imagine a reason why that menu maxes those CPU cores? And what can be done about it?

[Mr_sukebe]

Tom>

Nope, sorry, don't know.  It doesn't seem right.  At least with mine, memory usage is apparently low, so it's not that it's paging.

Pointless me even trying to speculate, as chances are that I'd be wrong.

Do you have a lot of USB devices?  I do.  To see if it might help, I took a copy of current Inputs folder (in saved games), then deleted all the controls for my mod aircraft and also any now non-used USB devices.

One thing I believe doesn't help is having too many USB devices.

[Tom Kazansky]

12 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

Tom>

Nope, sorry, don't know.  It doesn't seem right.  At least with mine, memory usage is apparently low, so it's not that it's paging.

Pointless me even trying to speculate, as chances are that I'd be wrong.

Do you have a lot of USB devices?  I do.  To see if it might help, I took a copy of current Inputs folder (in saved games), then deleted all the controls for my mod aircraft and also any now non-used USB devices.

One thing I believe doesn't help is having too many USB devices.

thanks again. I only have Stick, Thottle, Rudder, Mouse and a keyboard/Buttonbox on USB.

Here is the CPU state when it happens. My CPU does not seem to be overwhelmed by DCS in general, but when those spikes occur I see the first two cores have very short spikes too.

In DCS the frametime spikes are very odd (only in the control settings menu):

[Mr_sukebe]

Yours doesn’t look that bad.

2 of my cores were at 100%.  
I’ll be investigating more later today

[Mr_sukebe]

Okay, have done some testing today:

• Have cleaned out FXO and metashaders (again)
• Removed most of my mods
• Thinned down my liveries
• Conducted a full slow "fix" using the DCS Updater/Launcher
• Checked my key bindings and removed any with contention
• Uninstalled the Phantom

In short, none of the above seemed to make any significant level of difference, i.e. on opening the Controls section to modify key bindings, at least one of my CPU cores jumped to 100% and stayed there, sometimes 2.

Then I tried pulling the USB plug out for one of my powered USB hubs that handles 4-5 of my USB devices, and the CPU loading dropped significantly.

There appears to be two key influencing factors, i.e.

• The number USB devices connected and in use
• The number of controls that can be mapped.  So for example, the F16 has a LOT of control options, whereas FC3 aircraft have far fewer.  Opening the F16 control menu resulted in a significantly higher impact

One thing that I tried that seemed to help was to use the Option within the Controls section of "Foldable views", which is a tickbox. 

I've just re-installed the Phantom and using the Foldable Views tickbox enabled has allowed me to finish binding my keys WITHOUT the game basically seizing up.  So it looks like we have a workaround.

Edited May 24, 2024 by Mr_sukebe

[Tom Kazansky]

1 hour ago, Mr_sukebe said:

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One thing that I tried that seemed to help was to use the Option within the Controls section of "Foldable views", which is a tickbox. 

... the Foldable Views tickbox enabled has allowed me to finish binding my keys WITHOUT the game basically seizing up.  So it looks like we have a workaround.

 

that's really helpful! The massive spikes are gone as soon as I enable that tickbox! (And they are back when I disable it. So enabling the foldable views is a perfect workaround for me.)

thanks a lot!

So it seems too many keybindings shown at the same time are causing problems on my system.

Edited May 24, 2024 by Tom Kazansky

[Mr_sukebe]

As mentioned, my guess is that it’s a combination of how many USB devices that you’re using AND how many possible commands could you bind.  
Basically you’re looking at a matrix of one multiplied by another.  I’ve no idea why it’s so CPU intensive.  I’d expect it to have more impact on RAM use, but that’s clearly not the case.

Hopefully ED will track down the root cause.

 

[Flappie]

Can you two please try pressing this button once in Foldable view? Does the issue come back or not?

Edited May 24, 2024 by Flappie

[Tom Kazansky]

20 minutes ago, Flappie said:

Can you two please try pressing this button once in Foldable view? Does the issue come back or not?

 

Will try tomorrow. Thanks for taking a look at this.

[Tom Kazansky]

12 hours ago, Flappie said:

Can you two please try pressing this button once in Foldable view? Does the issue come back or not?

 

now it's getting interesting....

coincidently, yesterday I had to exclude a F-4E file from my antivirus software to be able to run DCS. So I tested with AV off afterwards, and that reduced the spikes, but they were still there (with Foldable view unticked).

Now I just tested your suggestion @Flappie and the spikes are all gone completely when I press that icon (which is selectable in Foldable view).

I know that this icon displays all keybindings. So it should show exactly as many as unticking "Foldable view" does, but the difference is like day and night.

How did you know Flappie? Are there any insights you can give us about the differences between those two methods of showing all keybindings?

Edited May 25, 2024 by Tom Kazansky

[Flappie]

4 hours ago, Tom Kazansky said:

How did you know Flappie? Are there any insights you can give us about the differences between those two methods of showing all keybindings?

I didn't! I thought you would get the exact opposite. 

No, I know nothing about all this, which is why I'm following this thread because I think you should not get such spikes. I'll test this.