F-5E update (Wags AMA)

[Chuck_Henry]

T-38 would be great for training purposes

 

An MFD would be nice - Did any F-5s ever get updates piper's ?

 

Sadly, the T-38C project died when IRIS pulled out of DCS years ago. Best you’ll find is the Milviz version for P3D. It’s pretty good; I’ve spent time in it, but P3D of course has its own litany of problems.

[Knock-Knock]

I'd be OK with just a texture and cockpit upgrade ala A10C.

 

I love the F5 for what it is, an old plane with old tech. For MFCDs and stuff like that I'd fly the hornet.

 

+1

[Dino Might]

All I want is:

Bug fixes

Updated textures

Refueling probe optional loadout

 

 

Anything more is gravy.

Even as is, the F5 is still one of my favorite modules.

[dimitrischal]

Just fix the bugs and a small eye candy update. I love the f5 for what it is, I have the most hours of any module in dcs on it and always feels like home to me.

No need for extra crap.

[SkateZilla]

Pretty sure he was more or less referring to Graphical Updates/.

[Richard Dastardly]

Yep, if there's anything updated past graphics I'd just want it as far as the Saudi export version they were going to do originally ( I believe that's just the 4x sidewinders + mavericks people refer to ) - keep it in period. The ex-Swiss ones used as aggressors have a whole bunch of differences, iirc ( built in Switzerland too, no? ).

[ThorBrasil]

All I want is:

Bug fixes

Updated textures

Refueling probe optional loadout

 

 

Anything more is gravy.

Even as is, the F5 is still one of my favorite modules.

 

Most modern radar, ILS,digital radios and IFF. :thumbup::pilotfly:

Edited October 24, 2019 by ThorBrasil

[Mking]

I wish the last version of the swiss f5e tiger II.

[Terzi]

In real F-5 landings, the plane is kept on rear wheels for a while for aero-braking. In DCS, no matter how soft you land, how fast or how slow you land, after the main gear touches, the nose wheel "wants to" reach to ground immediately. I am not sure about the FM, but this needs a fix.

 

Currently after the touchdown you need to add some pitch with your stick to keep the nose up, and usually this leads to small oscillation.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Terzi
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[Chuck_Henry]

In real F-5 landings, the plane is kept on rear wheels for a while for aero-braking. In DCS, no matter how soft you land, how fast or how slow you land, after the main gear touches, the nose wheel "wants to" reach to ground immediately. I am not sure about the FM, but this needs a fix.

 

Currently after the touchdown you need to add some pitch with your stick to keep the nose up, and usually this leads to small oscillation.

 

I’m inclined to believe this is due to the DCS F-5 flight model being more “draggy” than the real thing. Mover, in his FAM flight video, noted during the break turn when he got the gear horn that “you wouldn’t slow down that fast.” He suggests that it may be due to the increased induced drag (compared to the T-38A he flies IRL) from the LEXs and slats, but that still doesn’t really explain the whole story since you can see F-5s in various YouTube videos aerobraking for nearly half their landing rollouts.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Chuck_Henry

[razo+r]

In real F-5 landings, the plane is kept on rear wheels for a while for aero-braking. In DCS, no matter how soft you land, how fast or how slow you land, after the main gear touches, the nose wheel "wants to" reach to ground immediately. I am not sure about the FM, but this needs a fix.

 

Currently after the touchdown you need to add some pitch with your stick to keep the nose up, and usually this leads to small oscillation.

 

Out of all F-5 Landings in switzerland, I have never, ever seen one aerobraking.

[tflash]

He guys I'm also totally on board for a possible F-5E upgrade/update!!!! Still one of my favorite planes!

 

What a great aircraft to fly!

[SkateZilla]

In real F-5 landings, the plane is kept on rear wheels for a while for aero-braking. In DCS, no matter how soft you land, how fast or how slow you land, after the main gear touches, the nose wheel "wants to" reach to ground immediately. I am not sure about the FM, but this needs a fix.

 

Currently after the touchdown you need to add some pitch with your stick to keep the nose up, and usually this leads to small oscillation.

 

Aerobraking requires Pitch input to keep nose up until there is no more lift, then it falls

[Richard Dastardly]

Aerobraking requires Pitch input to keep nose up until there is no more lift, then it falls

 

Well you could trim it very nose up I guess, which does not seem a sound idea during a high workload procedure like landing and especially not if you have to abort...

[dSAF Dancer]

would really love to have the swiss version. They have INS and more modern radios, and the outside model would need one antenna more. They also have better brakes, but I think the rest is more or less the same.

It would also be cool to have the target towing bag (https://www.google.ch/search?q=pc-9+schleppsack&sxsrf=ACYBGNQFBPRJ4u5dSPngU5Yxmz-F4WC4jw:1571995315907&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_qZLzirflAhWLmIsKHUiQDWcQ_AUIEigB&biw=1368&bih=780#imgrc=XD0OSZj1FAXfhM:), so you could train air to air shooting, or combinded arms shooting in a realistic manner. But I do realise that many people would rather have a different update, it would just be really cool to have the exact swiss verison for our squadron.

[bbrz]

Out of all F-5 Landings in switzerland, I have never, ever seen one aerobraking.

If you need to keep the landing distance as short as possible, lower the nose immediately after touchdown.

 

If you are going to use the drag chute, lower the nose immediately after touchdown.

 

In all videos of Swiss F-5 landings that I've seen they always used the drag chute.

[bbrz]

Well you could trim it very nose up I guess

What would be the benefit of trimming nose up and flying the approach in an out of trim condition?

[razo+r]

If you need to keep the landing distance as short as possible, lower the nose immediately after touchdown.

 

If you are going to use the drag chute, lower the nose immediately after touchdown.

 

In all videos of Swiss F-5 landings that I've seen they always used the drag chute.

 

That's what I wrote. They never aerobrake, even if they have plenty of runway ahead of them.

[bbrz]

That's what I wrote. They never aerobrake, even if they have plenty of runway ahead of them.

Again, I haven't seen a single video where they don't use the drag chute. Use of drag chute = no aero braking.

[ebabil]

Is aerobraking thing this? Starts at 00:37

 

[bbrz]

yes

[razo+r]

Is aerobraking thing this? Starts at 00:37

 

 

Yes, I would call this aerobraking, but maybe that guy exagerated a bit :D

 

Again, I haven't seen a single video where they don't use the drag chute. Use of drag chute = no aero braking.

 

I think you misunderstood my posts...

[bbrz]

I think you misunderstood my posts...

Care to explain?

[razo+r]

You basically kind of disagreed that you agree that they never aerobrake.

 

But anyway, doesn't matter.

[bbrz]

You basically kind of disagreed that you agree that they never aerobrake.

? Maybe it's a language thing since we apparently don't understand each other.

 

It's irrelevant if there's 'plenty of runway ahead' or not. No aerodynamic braking if you are using the drag chute.

Edited October 25, 2019 by bbrz