Modern eastern planes please

[falcon_120]

Russian 80' aircraft that maybe (big maybe) can be modeled, would have only M2C as an opponent because ED decided they want to model mid 2000' versions of us figters.

Well actually I prefer theur decission in this regard, since having a mid90s f16 or F18 is doable by limiting specific weapons.

 

It would be great however, that servers could limit some specific functionalities through their settings, to be more precise the JhMCS, Link16 and MIDS. If ED could implement this kind of server configuration options we could perfectly create some great 80/90s scenarios.

 

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[Void78]

Well actually I prefer theur decission in this regard, since having a mid90s f16 or F18 is doable by limiting specific weapons.

 

It would be great however, that servers could limit some specific functionalities through their settings, to be more precise the JhMCS, Link16 and MIDS. If ED could implement this kind of server configuration options we could perfectly create some great 80/90s scenarios.

 

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You prefer theirs decision about what?

I'm sure after the first Gulf of Sidra incident Libyans thought F 14 is OP.

I 16 pilots thought Bf 109 is OP too.

This is a study sim,not a multiplayer game.

[draconus]

And who would you fight gainst in 80' mig-29? Even worse - exported one.

 

Everyone except M2C will trash you because they are 20 year newer jets.

Worry not. Good pilot is untouchable from BVR and can make any 2000' fighter run for its life in WVR :thumbup:

[Fri13]

Here is the podcast with the interview with Wags from Eagle Dynamics that goes into detail of what I had mentioned. The part about Eastern Bloc Aircraft in DCS starts at 11:25. https://alert5podcast.podbean.com/e/scramble-04-matt-wags-wagner/

 

Yes I know that, but still, why would Russian Government give all the data of their aircrafts and weapons to FOREIGN company, but not to Russian company?

 

No, they do not give it to ANYONE. That is the point.

 

It is like argument that if CIA walks in, the Russian Government will say "Here, take these, these and don't forget those papers". But if a FSB walks in, they say "NO, you can't have anything, GET OUT!"

[*Rage*]

ED say they see no (relative) profit in russian modules, sadly.

 

Also, as much as I'd like ANY Mig29/Su27, the game really needs a SM3/SMT+ variant.

[Dudikoff]

Yes I know that, but still, why would Russian Government give all the data of their aircrafts and weapons to FOREIGN company, but not to Russian company?

 

No, they do not give it to ANYONE. That is the point.

 

It is like argument that if CIA walks in, the Russian Government will say "Here, take these, these and don't forget those papers". But if a FSB walks in, they say "NO, you can't have anything, GET OUT!"

 

Nobody expects any documents from the Russian government, but some models were exported and obtaining their documentation might be possible (like e.g. Razbam got the documents for the Cuban MiG-23MLA we're getting, documentation is pretty much available for the export MiG-29 9.12B).

[Terzi]

From the Russian government point of view, it does not matter who is doing the work. It is a matter of who is selling the product or making it available to public, and who they can place charges on. No one can prove that the work actually was made here or there.

 

 

 

As for MiG-23 etc. they are already out of service so there wouldn't be any problem modeling it. You can go to museums and investigate it, there is nothing secret or interesting regarding to today's standards. But about F-22 or SU-35 or SU-57 lots of things are classified and protected. You cannot even find a picture of the cockpit via Google search, let alone the manuals.

[Oceandar]

IIRC ED actually almost made an Su-27sk. If that ever happens God knows when.... Thats good enough for me.

[Max1mus]

ED say they see no (relative) profit in russian modules, sadly.

 

Also, as much as I'd like ANY Mig29/Su27, the game really needs a SM3/SMT+ variant.

 

100% agree on the 2nd part :thumbup:

[falcon_120]

You prefer theirs decision about what?

I'm sure after the first Gulf of Sidra incident Libyans thought F 14 is OP.

I 16 pilots thought Bf 109 is OP too.

This is a study sim,not a multiplayer game.

 

I prefer their decission about choosing more modern versions of the F16 or F18, so you can enjoy them and given the case in a MP environment, limit their newer systems and weapons to turn them into 80/90 era planes.

 

I'm not following you on the other sentences, clear to explain what is your point?

[falcon_120]

ED say they see no (relative) profit in russian modules, sadly.

 

Also, as much as I'd like ANY Mig29/Su27, the game really needs a SM3/SMT+ variant.

 

I for sure and many like me would buy a full fidelity eastern plane, heck, I'm even thinking about buying the JF17 even though I don't really like the plane.

 

Totally agree on the second point.

[draconus]

I'm not following you on the other sentences, clear to explain what is your point?

It's about war being unfair. Enemies usually don't agree on what weapons to use in a war and so DCS should not cater to some fair play balance things. But I get that it does limit what can be done in MP.

[Teknetinium]

J-11B/A would do just fine! I hope Dekawork get a rabbit out of the hat. This simulator was built on Su-27, Its a shame it had to go so far. At least my self started DCS for Su-27 back in ghe days. If I wanted Nato aircrafts I could go to BmS long time a go! If only ED maintained the existing Flankers as well wold not harm!

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[Oceandar]

J-11B/A would do just fine! I hope Dekawork get a rabbit out of the hat. This simulator was built on Su-27, Its a shame it had to go so far. At least my self started DCS for Su-27 back in ghe days. If I wanted Nato aircrafts I could go to BmS long time a go! If only ED maintained the existing Flankers as well wold not harm!

Couldnt agree more.

Well ..... life is not without the sense of ironi.

[falcon_120]

It's about war being unfair. Enemies usually don't agree on what weapons to use in a war and so DCS should not cater to some fair play balance things. But I get that it does limit what can be done in MP.

 

If that was his point I agree on that. I'm all in for realism. My point was more about that if you wish you could limit certain features in some servers, it is an option for those who does not like full realism or do like it but also enjoy some balance im MP for the sake of competition.

[Void78]

It's about war being unfair. Enemies usually don't agree on what weapons to use in a war and so DCS should not cater to some fair play balance things. But I get that it does limit what can be done in MP.

Exactly.:thumbup:

This is a video game, not a war.

If you like to play I-16 vs F-16 scenario, fine, you have all assets to make such mission.

Yes it is a game.A game that simulates war machines and war as close as possible.I could play I-16 vs F-16 scenario,that is true,but i wouldn't do it because it is not realistic now ..is it?

And who would you fight gainst in 80' mig-29? Even worse - exported one.

 

Everyone except M2C will trash you because they are 20 year newer jets.

I would fight everyone!!!It is challenging,and above all realistic.

 

So according to you exported variants of MIG 29 shouldn't be made because they would be weak?

You have got to be kidding me.

[Max1mus]

Soviet era rust collectors fighting mid 2000s NATO fighters and missiles has nothing to do with realism. It wouldnt be called an arms race if it was this one sided. It is basically impossible to set up a realistic environment for DCS F/A-18C or F-16C without at least very heavy weapon restrictions without turning it into an unchallenging turkey shoot. ED has added all these new systems and weapons, but the sim has simply not caught up yet.

[Void78]

Soviet era rust collectors fighting mid 2000s NATO fighters and missiles has nothing to do with realism.

Another Joker.

 

Desert Storm,Iraqi Freedom,Merciful Angel,Libya,Syria..etc.

All big mismatches.

 

God forbid if conflict between North Korea and NATO happens;

sky would be filled with rust collectors as you have put it.

FYI...the term arms race does not apply to third world nations.

[Exorcet]

Even ignoring that "mismatches" as seen in DCS aren't too far off reality, it's more than the M2000 that would be contemporary with 80's Soviet aircraft. The F-14 A or B would fit, as does the F-15 (minus AIM-120) and A-10A if you want to include FC3. The F-5 might fit in as well.

 

 

Not that any that precludes more eastern aircraft or earlier version of western fighters.

[FoxAlfa]

Actually, a lot of FC3 Flankers and Fulcrum even now hold their own in MP environments, imagine if they had full working DL(flanker) automatic guidance (fulcrum), update missiles, CM programs etc... so even older stuff although not perfect is more then usable...

Regarding more precision AG stuff, and Sukhoi fast attacker or the new MiG-27 would come in good there!

[Drona]

^^^Agreed... even if they give us the fully simulated variants of the FC3 Russian aircraft, it would be a dream to fly.

[fragal]

+1 make it sell it people will buy it - guaranteed

[nighthawk2174]

I wonder if a MIG-29G would be possible? As in could there be enough declass info available if you know the right people to make it?

[FoxAlfa]

I am hoping that doing the Fulcrum for ED would make a lot of sense with latest releases and the foundation code provided by the Hornet and Viper.

 

Also they have the flight model dialed in, the 3D model and cockpit are there and animated, RWR, sounds... they only need to add radar system in FF and nav system, and updated the missiles(which they should do regardless).

Nav system is basic with 3 predetermine bases and 3 nav points. It has a single radio with presets that will probably already be added under the VoIP system.

 

Agreement with Deka (J11) or M3 (due to MiG-21 -> MAC) to add those systems would also be smart... even if it doesn't sell as much as Viper or Hornet would... the effort that would be needed is also much much smaller.

[Snappy]

Another Joker.

 

Desert Storm,Iraqi Freedom,Merciful Angel,Libya,Syria..etc.

All big mismatches.

 

God forbid if conflict between North Korea and NATO happens;

sky would be filled with rust collectors as you have put it.

FYI...the term arms race does not apply to third world nations.

 

Slight thread drift, but please step down from your realism high horse will you.

 

 

Or have you deinstalled the game after your first crash or first shoot down with loss of pilot?

 

 

Because there is no -try again- in reality either in those cases.

 

 

And regarding mismatches.Asymmetric historic conflicts notwithstanding, why do you assume that people enjoy being being cannon fodder for a technological

far ahead blue side??

 

 

You wouldn‘t even get to the merge in your 70/80s vintage Mig in most cases as you would have been spamrammed out of the sky before you knew what hit you.

Oh and btw you would likely be doctrine-bound to follow GCI orders and not get to make major tactical decisions if you‘d take it to realistic level& could fly DCS only a few hours per month as you don‘t get trained as much as the rw blue force.

 

 

So please cut it down a bit.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Snappy.