Quekel Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 All my specs are in my sig, I do not feel the need to change my PC yet. When I play VR, my ram is always using around 14gb, Is it still worth it to upgrade it to 32GB? Is there any benefits on performance or stability in VR?
fitness88 Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 I turned off file swap [virtual memory] in Windows 10 when I got 32gig, didn't need it. I feel it gave me some improvement as I no longer was disk caching, more than enough ram to hold everything.
dburne Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 For DCS I would say yes. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
JUICE-AWG Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 What speed is your 16GB of RAM? In September of 2018, I went from the 4790 (non-K) with 16GB of 1600 RAM to an 8700K Six-Cores at 4.4 Ghz w/32 GB (4X8) DDR4 at 3000 Mhz Speed RAM. Here's the thing, are you going to just get more RAM for your 4790K? If so, what's the highest 32GB Speed it will run? I agree with Fitness88, I had the same benefit, but also with dburne, DCS is evolving and I went with 32GB @ 3000Mhz because I host MP a lot...for me it was a YES need to get it. The extra will likely buy you more time as DCS evolves and requires more resources like Deck Crew Animations, Visual Effects. If you get the RAM, I hope you spring for a 1080Ti or newer, you'll love it! "There are only two types of aircraft, Fighters and Targets." Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Bob_Bushman Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 I wouldn't bother with spending money on a ddr3 plattform at all. You'll be chucking those new chips out soon. The i7 4790k might not be bottlenecking a lot in DCS due to how much it's thread limited. But for VR gaming or high fps, the move from 4790k to an 8700k was staggering. My recommendation would be to not do anything, since you don't feel like building a new plattform, I'd just save up for when you do. i7 8700k @ 4.7, 32GB 2900Mhz, 1080ti, CV1 Virpil MT-50\Delta, MFG Crosswind, Warthog Throttle, Virptil Mongoost-50 throttle.
boedha68 Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 The upgrade from 4770K to 9900KS was a 35% boost of fps in DCS. Now waiting for the new videocard. AMD or Nnvidia....? :D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Bob_Bushman Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 The upgrade from 4770K to 9900KS was a 35% boost of fps in DCS. Now waiting for the new videocard. AMD or Nnvidia....? :D Granted I wasn't playing DCS since my old 4790k to an 8790k, butbin Elite dangerous it was the difference between struggling to keep 45fps and spacewarp to barely ever triggering spacewarp at all, with the same GPU. project cars 2 also became significantly smoother. For now, AMD's best is comparative to a 2070s, if you want more than that unfortunately Nvidia has no genuine competition. Personally I consider the boost in performance from a 1080ti to a 2080 or 2080ti as far to costly vs performance gained, granted I have been tempted on occasion. For now I'm trying to keep some change in the piggy bank and waiting for the 30xx's that we expect Nvidia to launch in 4 to 6 months give or take. i7 8700k @ 4.7, 32GB 2900Mhz, 1080ti, CV1 Virpil MT-50\Delta, MFG Crosswind, Warthog Throttle, Virptil Mongoost-50 throttle.
Habu_69 Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 I have I5 8600, 32 GB DDR4. I was holding off on vid card upgrade awaiting new Nvidia cards but grew impatient and went with an RTX 2070 Super as a compromise. I have been very happy with this system and found it imminently playable with Reverb. Agree with those above that best bang for the buck in DCS is CPU power, then vid card.
imacken Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 All my specs are in my sig, I do not feel the need to change my PC yet. When I play VR, my ram is always using around 14gb, Is it still worth it to upgrade it to 32GB? Is there any benefits on performance or stability in VR? Personally, I couldn’t see any difference in DCS when I increased from 16Gb to 32Gb. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Wolf359 Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 Former IT here. I am on a DDR3 platform (XPS 8500 i7 3.4ghz) and upgraded from 16 to 32gb last week, running Windows 10, and operating on SSD. I noticed a difference in overall system performance. Like some have said here, I turned off virtual memory. There is a video by Spudnocker for system and DCS tweaks for performance that I tried, and got good results. Rig: Alienware Aurora R9 - 9th Gen Core i7 9700K 4.6GHz 8 Cores | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GDDR6 | 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD | 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL DDR4 3200MHz XMP 2.0 | LG Series80 QNED 50in 4K 120hz | TM Warthog HOTAS w/F-18 grip | Logitech G Pro RP | TM Cougar MFDs | TrackIR 5 Pro | VR: Oculus Quest 2 | Modules: FC3 | F/A-18C | F-16C | A-10C II | F-14 | M-2000C | AV-8B | F-5E | JF-17 | P-51D | KA-50iii | UH-1H | AH-64D | Supercarrier | Combined Arms | Nevada | Persian Gulf | Syria | Normandy | Chanel |
ECTAE Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 No difference here also from 16 to 32 gb. Also, before you spend money on ram, try getting rid of all the bloatware that comes with W10 by default. I havea Win10 1909 booting with les than a 800mb of ram usage. By default w10 uses 3.5gb which is mindblowing.
Ninjaviper Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 No difference here also from 16 to 32 gb. Also, before you spend money on ram, try getting rid of all the bloatware that comes with W10 by default. I havea Win10 1909 booting with les than a 800mb of ram usage. By default w10 uses 3.5gb which is mindblowing. Bloatware can you explane for me? Sounds interesting i5 7600K OC 4.4, MSI Z270 Sli plus GTX 1080 OC, 2x16 GB Memory 3000 MHz, Windows 10 Thrustmaster Warthog, VKB pedals TrackIR 5.
dave-uk Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 Bloatware, the crap that comes per-installed. I deleted loads when i bought my PC a month ago. Utrinque Paratus I7-9700K OCTA-CORE 3.6 GHZ / 4.8 GHZ RAM 32 GB DDR4 (3000 MHZ) NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2070 SUPER - 8 GB GDDR6 STORAGE - 2TB SSD - 6 TB SATA
BrokenArrow Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 Yes Yes Yes Especially when you want to play multiplayer/bigger missions. I had issue where my CPU and GPU usage was 60-50% usage and getting low fps(10-20fps), Once i updated to 32GB, FPS never gone below 60. ------------------------------------------------- AMD 3700x, 32GB 3600 C16 RAM, 2080 Ti FE, 32UD89 4K 60, 300Mbps LAN There are only 3 sexy airplanes in the sky, Flanker, Viper, Raptor
dave-uk Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 I'll be upgrading to at least 32 when i get home, have to see what make of ram i have in the PC, I'm hoping its 2x8 and i have two spare slots, else it'll be 2x16's, PC was bought a month ago. Utrinque Paratus I7-9700K OCTA-CORE 3.6 GHZ / 4.8 GHZ RAM 32 GB DDR4 (3000 MHZ) NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2070 SUPER - 8 GB GDDR6 STORAGE - 2TB SSD - 6 TB SATA
ECTAE Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 Well, in FPS genre we are used to make our custom ISOs with windows so we can only run one or two games and get the least input lag and the best performance. I have a custom made WIN1909 and can't confirm I gained or lost any fps but what I can tell you now is that I got rid of most stutters. Running your system without all that bloatware is night and day. DCS runs much more smooth. Can't describe. But don't take my word. Just try. Also, take into account that some of those tricks like disabling spectre and meltdown patches (via InSpectre tool) can cause security vulnerability but you could end up getting 5-10% more performance that you didn't even know was there. I treat my DCS pc like if it was a Real Flight sim. And we, engineers, not always can get the best o the best,(in this case I9 or i7 latest gen with 2080ti) so we must think smart and try to maximize our software to do the magic. Some part of that relies on ED's. But a big part of this is our own fault. If you run DCS but your pc boots up with 5gb of ram usage and 100 webpages opened, don't expect a good performance even with the best of the best. So my tip is to treat your pc like a real sim facility. Don't buy s^ht from amazon or use your credit card in it. Don't install crap that your boss would not alow. This guy can show you couple of good tricks,it's a complete series ( ) Some of the steps or recommendations are just simply not needed like network optimisation but other my work like a charm (I'm talking about the reg key that throttle your pc while playing multiplayer, yes, it's a thing) That been said, you can take advantage of some of those tricks. First and foremost, understand what you are doing. In fact, some of those steps will make your VR device just simply don't boot. So be carefull. Also, and very useful, don't try to do all in one step. Make little steps and log every change you make. That way, if anything breaks, you know what step was.
InfinityWingman Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 The upgrade to 32GB itself didn't make much difference for me, but in the process, I learned about turning on XMP profiles in BIOS to speed up RAM. THAT made a noticeable improvement in smoothness in VR. May depend on your MB, but XMP is a BIOS feature for AMD and Intel. I've spent way too much time optimizing for DCS and now I'm studying more about memory overclocking. No end to this. ASUS Z390 / Intel i7-9700K / 32 GB DDR4 / 1080Ti / HP Reverb 2 / Thrustmaster WH&TPR Heath and Allen Zedi8 / TrackIR / Momo USB monitor / Akai MPD218
maxsin72 Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 The upgrade from 4770K to 9900KS was a 35% boost of fps in DCS. Now waiting for the new videocard. AMD or Nnvidia....? :D How much is your cpu frame time and your average fps with the 9900ks? Thanks :)
Kayos Posted January 8, 2020 Posted January 8, 2020 It is definitely worth upgrading to 32gb. I saw a big difference. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
hansangb Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 The upgrade to 32GB itself didn't make much difference for me, but in the process, I learned about turning on XMP profiles in BIOS to speed up RAM. THAT made a noticeable improvement in smoothness in VR. May depend on your MB, but XMP is a BIOS feature for AMD and Intel. I've spent way too much time optimizing for DCS and now I'm studying more about memory overclocking. No end to this. Yeah, there was a YT video of FPS in VR. And the testing showed that for 2D, memory speed made no difference (nothing that mattered) but it did in VR. I wish I could find it :( hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
imacken Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) Yeah, there was a YT video of FPS in VR. And the testing showed that for 2D, memory speed made no difference (nothing that mattered) but it did in VR. I wish I could find it :( In my experience, memory speed makes a difference in all cases. Try turning your XMP profile off and test fps! Edited January 9, 2020 by imacken Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Bob_Bushman Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) In my experience, memory speed makes a difference in all cases. Try turning your XMP profile off and test fps! For 2d the difference might be getting 176 fps vs 165 fps. Not something you notice on a 60hz-120hz monitor though is it. It's more noticeable in VR cause any frame over the threshold is simply dumped and dumping enough frames causes ASW to kick in, that becomes very noticeable. I actually swapped my ram chips before from 1600mhz ddr3 to 2400mhz ddr3, chasing improved performance after also swapping out an it 4690k to an i7 4790k, and there was indeed an improvement in VR fluidity. Very minor, but indeed noticeable, enough that I noticed having forgotten to clock them back up after a bios reset. Nothing like the boost in upgrading from the z97 plattform to a z370. It's all the little things as well, like USB issues, gone. With ddr4 I can't say I notice the same difference unless dropping down to under 2400mhz, barely at all if any, noticeable at all from stock speeds to OC. There are of course many factors involved, I suspect one being that VR drivers and software is designed to leverage the additional bandwidth or is simply better tuned for more recent hardware. I honestly notice very little benefit from adding in the extra 16gb of ram, but I also see that my 1080ti is running at 10.5GB vram usage, if I had had less vram, I would probably use more regular memory as well. I honestly see no good reason to spend any more money on a z97/ddr3 setup. The benefits of moving to a newer chipset, be it Intel or ryzen will be huge, especially for vr. Edited January 9, 2020 by Bob_Bushman i7 8700k @ 4.7, 32GB 2900Mhz, 1080ti, CV1 Virpil MT-50\Delta, MFG Crosswind, Warthog Throttle, Virptil Mongoost-50 throttle.
Icebeat Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 No difference here also from 16 to 32 gb. Also, before you spend money on ram, try getting rid of all the bloatware that comes with W10 by default. I havea Win10 1909 booting with les than a 800mb of ram usage. By default w10 uses 3.5gb which is mindblowing. Interesting could you explain or put a short list of what to remove?
ECTAE Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 Interesting could you explain or put a short list of what to remove? Read down 3 posts later. I've mentioned some links.
Gunnars Driver Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 I havent tested with both 16bg and 32 with the same hardware but after a bigger upgrade with 32Gb I found out that my rig uses around 15-26Gb of RAM when playing DCS. I guess you can get limited in your settings to stay below 16Gb if you only have 16. A fpsVR frameshot with 24GB RAM usage: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4170525&postcount=24 [T.M HOTAS Warthog Stick & Throttle + T.Flight pedals, Varjo Aero, HP Reverb pro, Pimax 8KX] [DCS Mirage 2K; Huey; Spitfire Mk IX, AJS 37, F-14, F-18, FC3, A-10 Warthog II and a few more ] i9 13900KF@5.8/32Gb DDR5@6400/ Gigabyte Gaming OC RTX4090, ASUS STRIX Z790-F , 2Tb m2 NVMe
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