RagnarBSE Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 Hi all and sorry for noob question but i am very new on DCS and flight simultaions. Can someone explain how to align correctly the Viper and the difference between Stor HDG align and Norm Align with HUD symbology Thanks all m8!!! I appreciate BEST ALL!
Rudel_chw Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 Look for Chuck's Guide .. it explains all there is to know about the INS. Edi: Sorry, I'm so stupid, Chuck's Guide isnt yet out :( For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
BlacleyCole Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 If I’m understanding correctly the stor hdg is for situations where you prep the plane for a rapid takeoff like an alert bird you go out daily do your preflight inspections align the ins then save it and shut down the jet that way when you get the go signal you jump in double check everything and startup most things are prepped and ready you should be able to launch within a couple of minutes not a half hour like a routine flight BlackeyCole 20years usaf XP-11. Dcs 2.5OB Acer predator laptop/ i7 7720, 2.4ghz, 32 gb ddr4 ram, 500gb ssd,1tb hdd,nvidia 1080 8gb vram New FlightSim Blog at https://blackeysblog.wordpress.com. Go visit it and leave me feedback and or comments so I can make it better. A new post every Friday.
QuiGon Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 If I’m understanding correctly the stor hdg is for situations where you prep the plane for a rapid takeoff like an alert bird you go out daily do your preflight inspections align the ins then save it and shut down the jet that way when you get the go signal you jump in double check everything and startup most things are prepped and ready you should be able to launch within a couple of minutes not a half hour like a routine flight Correct. Unfortunately this is always available in the current DCS F-16, which is kinda odd. I hope it's still WIP and ED will change it later, to make the NORM alignment the default alignment and give mission designers the option to make STORED HEADING alignment available for certain aircraft, just like it works with the F-14. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Wu70 Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 So we can use stored heading align just as "fast align", great in MP :D
AlexCaboose Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 So we can use stored heading align just as "fast align", great in MP :D Not really, because the jet has to be prepped for that. It should be fine for air to air things, but things like JDAMs when they come out would be degraded 476th vFG Website, 476th vFG Discord, 476th vFG Pipeline
ebabil Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 Waiting for alignment just sucks. refueling and rearming the plane is done within less than a minute is considired as realistic in dcs but we have to wait 8 minutes for nothing. Meanwhile fc3 planes make 3 sorties FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5
mvsgas Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 Waiting for alignment just sucks. refueling and rearming the plane is done within less than a minute is considired as realistic in dcs but we have to wait 8 minutes for nothing. Meanwhile fc3 planes make 3 sorties I don't know how this is still and issue when in DCS currently you can have the aircraft up and running in 4 minute with STOR HDG alignment. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
ebabil Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 when i try stored heading option, it stucks at 10 and align doesn't flash. Is it ok for this method? FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5
mvsgas Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) Yes, It will still tell you range to steerpoint and in my experience waypoints are fine. The only current problem is you can not enter altitude in the DED ins page, but that is a separate problem not specific to STOR HDG. Edited January 25, 2020 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
QuiGon Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 Waiting for alignment just sucks. refueling and rearming the plane is done within less than a minute is considired as realistic in dcs but we have to wait 8 minutes for nothing. Meanwhile fc3 planes make 3 sorties That's why on Blue Flag the FC3 planes have to refuel first, which for the big birds (Su-27, F-15) takes pretty much the same time as a Stored Heading Alignment. when i try stored heading option, it stucks at 10 and align doesn't flash. Is it ok for this method? 10 is the ready status for stored heading alignment. It means it has finished and achieved best quality. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Wu70 Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 Waiting for alignment just sucks. refueling and rearming the plane is done within less than a minute is considired as realistic in dcs but we have to wait 8 minutes for nothing. Meanwhile fc3 planes make 3 sorties Agree, If DCS want to be so realistic then ED still have many things to improve rather than wasting our time for nothing.
Deano87 Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 Agree, If DCS want to be so realistic then ED still have many things to improve rather than wasting our time for nothing. Lol Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
mvsgas Posted January 26, 2020 Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) when i try stored heading option, it stucks at 10 and align doesn't flash. Is it ok for this method? I forgot to mention, for Stor HDG alignment, you do not want to verify/re enter lat/long, just INS knob to STOR HDG, wait 90 seconds and align should flash in the HUD. Entering lat long affects the alignment and like the RL aircraft it changes the mode of alignment. So for normal alignment re enter Lat/long and alt (when is fix) withing 2 minutes of INS knob to Norm For STOR HDG you do not re enter Lat/long Edited January 27, 2020 by mvsgas spelling To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Nightstorm Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 I've been having problems with the Normal align since the last patch. The only way I've gotten INS to work is with the Stored Heading mode. So clarification; When you do you confirm the coordinates with the ENTR key on the UFC? When it's flashing align BEFORE switching to NAV, or AFTER you switch to NAV? And you dobber down to the other two lines and hit enter on each? That's how I thought it was supposed to go but I end up with no INS alignment.
Gunnar81 Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 I've been having problems with the Normal align since the last patch. The only way I've gotten INS to work is with the Stored Heading mode. So clarification; When you do you confirm the coordinates with the ENTR key on the UFC? When it's flashing align BEFORE switching to NAV, or AFTER you switch to NAV? And you dobber down to the other two lines and hit enter on each? That's how I thought it was supposed to go but I end up with no INS alignment. Ok, so I'm not the only one then. I can't seem to get the INS to work right either, I wait the 8mins till align is flashing, flick over to NAV and steer point info show all zeros for heading and distance.:huh:
Deano87 Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 Guys the process is really simple. 1. Switch the INS knob to NORM. 2. On the DED the INS page will come up. With the LAT field highlighted. 3. Press ENTR on the ICP to confirm the LAT coordinates (if they are correct) 4. Press Dobber Down on the ICP to highlight the next line (LNG) and hit ENTR on the ICP to confirm the LNG coordinates (if they are correct) 5. Repeat the above process to highlight the SALT (Altitude) field and confirm it as well using ENTR on the ICP. 6. Wait 8 ish mins until the top line of the INS page reads INS 08.5/ 6 RDY at which point switch the INS knob to NAV. 7. Go Fly! If you want to do a stored heading align (faster) the process is the same except you also have to confirm the stored heading info in addition to the rest and the alignment will only reach a precision of 10 rather then 6. If you don't know what the Dobber is, its this: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Mars Exulte Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 INS = The plane knows where it was, and it knows where it isn't. By substracting where it was, from where it isn't, it knows where it is! Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2
Deano87 Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 INS = The plane knows where it was, and it knows where it isn't. By substracting where it was, from where it isn't, it knows where it is! Consequently, the position where it is is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. :thumbup: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Gunnar81 Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 Guys the process is really simple. 1. Switch the INS knob to NORM. 2. On the DED the INS page will come up. With the LAT field highlighted. 3. Press ENTR on the ICP to confirm the LAT coordinates (if they are correct) 4. Press Dobber Down on the ICP to highlight the next line (LNG) and hit ENTR on the ICP to confirm the LNG coordinates (if they are correct) 5. Repeat the above process to highlight the SALT (Altitude) field and confirm it as well using ENTR on the ICP. 6. Wait 8 ish mins until the top line of the INS page reads INS 08.5/ 6 RDY at which point switch the INS knob to NAV. 7. Go Fly! If you want to do a stored heading align (faster) the process is the same except you also have to confirm the stored heading info in addition to the rest and the alignment will only reach a precision of 10 rather then 6. If you don't know what the Dobber is, its this: That was my issue, not confirming the preset coords in the 3 fields. I was just waiting 8mins and not getting results. Thanks for step by stepping this out, problem solved.:thumbup:
Deano87 Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 That was my issue, not confirming the preset coords in the 3 fields. I was just waiting 8mins and not getting results. Thanks for step by stepping this out, problem solved.:thumbup: No Probs! Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
lee1hy Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 currntly DCS F16 INS is bugging if wait fo 6 then NAV not working L16 and system aslo STOR-HDG -> NORM trick is blokced kim_123456#3214 My awesome liveries user files https://shorturl.at/cdKV5
mvsgas Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 If you want to do a stored heading align (faster) the process is the same except you also have to confirm the stored heading info in addition to the rest and the alignment will only reach a precision As I posted before, you do not want to confirm the lat/long on store heading alignment. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 currntly DCS F16 INS is bugging if wait fo 6 then NAV not working L16 and system aslo STOR-HDG -> NORM trick is blokced I don't understand what you are trying to say, could you please clarify. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
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