Horns Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nyaruko said: How much completeness are needed to release EA and Full? I personally satisfied with F-14 and AJS 37,I have no knowledge about both EA and Full standards. I’m sure someone else can give a more authoritative answer, but I think EA can happen once the aircraft is usable as an aircraft and useful to a good extent in at least one of its major roles, beyond that developers have the discretion to wait until one or more specific features is complete. I think ‘Full’ release state used to mean feature complete, now I think a module can achieve release state before some of its peripheral features are complete, these are done under the banner of “product sustainment”. That’s just the way I think of it, I hope someone with actual knowledge of ED policy weighs in. Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Dragon1-1 Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 TrueGrit/HB policy, not ED. This is something that devs themselves decide on, and in fact, those decisions are made individually for each module. The Viper was a bit of a disaster in EA, to say the least, so ED released the Apache with most of its systems complete, though FM, being really damn hard, is still very WIP. EA release happens when the devs think they have enough of a product to sell, and full release happens when they decide the main features are done. Those milestones will vary widely, depending on relative complexity of systems, FM and 3D modeling.
Lurker Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 If I had a penny for every time ED have stated things that turned out to be, well to put it mildly, subjected to change, I'd be a millionaire by now Specs: Win10, i5-13600KF, 32GB DDR4 RAM 3200XMP, 1 TB M2 NVMe SSD, KFA2 RTX3090, VR G2 Headset, Warthog Throttle+Saitek Pedals+MSFFB2 Joystick.
Ala13_ManOWar Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Lurker said: If I had a penny for every time ED have stated things that turned out to be, well to put it mildly, subjected to change, I'd be a millionaire by now No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't even have money enough for a single new module. A cheap campaign in sales period perhaps? Not sure it would be enough at all with a few pennies . "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
Horns Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said: TrueGrit/HB policy, not ED. This is something that devs themselves decide on, and in fact, those decisions are made individually for each module. The Viper was a bit of a disaster in EA, to say the least, so ED released the Apache with most of its systems complete, though FM, being really damn hard, is still very WIP. EA release happens when the devs think they have enough of a product to sell, and full release happens when they decide the main features are done. Those milestones will vary widely, depending on relative complexity of systems, FM and 3D modeling. You must be psychic; I was trying to set an EA standard that the EA F-16 met I was impressed with the standard HB insisted on before bringing the F-14 to EA, I could ‘feel’ the character of the plane from day 1. There can be a huge difference between devs: I bought a ‘release’ standard module from another 3rd party dev (around 2018 I think) that has a terrible flight model, an inaccurate cockpit and nothing resembling a true manual. I put it aside and bought the ‘EA’ Viggen, and received substantial documentation, a beautiful flight model and well modeled, all-but-complete systems. HB could easily have brought it out of EA and done the few remaining things as a ‘mid life update’, but it seems like @Cobra847 won’t declare something complete until it meets very high production values. I applaud him for that, but I wonder if sales were lost because of the ‘EA’ tag… Edited August 31, 2022 by Horns Word choice Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Dragon1-1 Posted August 31, 2022 Posted August 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Horns said: You must be psychic; I was trying to set an EA standard that the EA F-16 met It's called experience. Yeah, the F-16 fiasco definitely set the standard for dubious EA releases for a long time to come. Yup, HB has very high standards, both the F-14 and the Viggen are top line modules. I'd expect the same to be true for the Eurofighter. I doubt any sales were lost, Viggen is a niche aircraft in first place, if you even know that it exists and what it is, you'll know if you want it or not.
pierscockey Posted September 21, 2022 Posted September 21, 2022 On 8/29/2022 at 8:53 AM, AdrianL said: Many things said in that interview have turned out to be wrong i.e. no new F-5, no Tornado, etc. Does this now mean early '23 confirmed, plus an updated F5? i9 12900KS | 3090ti 24GB | 64GB 5200Mhz DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum GS-4 Seat | NLM V3 | Moza AB9 | Warthog Throttle + stick | MFG Crosswind | Reverb G1
Dragon1-1 Posted September 22, 2022 Posted September 22, 2022 Optimization is what they could make it, HB falls on the "quality" side of performance vs. quality. They're on the detailed side, but they use all that detail. I'm not sure what's wrong with the damage models, the F-14 is a little WIP, never had an issue with the Viggen. DM in DCS is rather random, anyway, we're still waiting for the proper X-ray damage model that WWII aircraft already get.
Svelerdijk Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Zahnatom said: nothing in 2023 and beyond .... Is the project alive?
F-2 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, Svelerdijk said: Is the project alive? Yes it is. But I’m assuming the phantom has priority.
JOYFUL_CLOVR Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Zahnatom said: nothing in 2023 and beyond .... I was a bit saddened when I watched the video. I understand given that the F4 is so close to completion and they could use all hands on deck. I guess I was hoping that the module was closer to being completed than it actually is, which is my own fault and set myself up to to be dreamcrushed. 1 Specs: i7-11700k, RTX 3070 Ti, 64GB RAM, 1TB M.2 SSD Squadron:
Cunning_Raven Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, JOYFUL_CLOVR said: I was a bit saddened when I watched the video. I understand given that the F4 is so close to completion and they could use all hands on deck. I guess I was hoping that the module was closer to being completed than it actually is, which is my own fault and set myself up to to be dreamcrushed. Same, even though I'm trying to except much later, I was really sad that it didn't make an appearance. And when they were replying to Eurofighter comments, it really sounded like it is not close at all.
Horns Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, JOYFUL_CLOVR said: I was a bit saddened when I watched the video. I understand given that the F4 is so close to completion and they could use all hands on deck. I guess I was hoping that the module was closer to being completed than it actually is, which is my own fault and set myself up to to be dreamcrushed. 24 minutes ago, Cunning_Raven said: Same, even though I'm trying to except much later, I was really sad that it didn't make an appearance. And when they were replying to Eurofighter comments, it really sounded like it is not close at all. I sympathise, really I do. When HB released the ‘A Coming Storm’ trailer many of us, me included, didn’t know the F-4 was in development and at the heads of the queue, so disappointment is understandable. With circumstances conspiring to delay things so much in the final crunch to EA for the Phantom, I guess they can’t estimate any timelines that go beyond it and may not be trying to, so that might explain HB talking down expectations. Hopefully a certain person grows some pragmatism (if not humanity) and things will get back to normal in Europe sometime this year. After that we might get some indication on when we can expect the EF. Of course, if that certain person was dumb enough to step across a border, things might get back to normal that much quicker. Wouldn’t it be ironic if it was a bomb dropped by a Typhoon… Edited January 5, 2023 by Horns Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Spectre11 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 Keep in mind that Heatblur basically adopted a policy of announcing modules only, if it's relatively mature and not too far away from release. The Eurofighter is an exception here as it was launched by True Grit and announced early. The collaboration came over a year after the Eurofighter was announced. That's probably the reason why you don't read/hear much, if anything about it.
Lurker Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 I think it's pretty safe to say that the EF will not be released anytime soon. By that, I mean in 2023. Specs: Win10, i5-13600KF, 32GB DDR4 RAM 3200XMP, 1 TB M2 NVMe SSD, KFA2 RTX3090, VR G2 Headset, Warthog Throttle+Saitek Pedals+MSFFB2 Joystick.
Fromthedeep Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, Spectre11 said: Keep in mind that Heatblur basically adopted a policy of announcing modules only, if it's relatively mature and not too far away from release. The A-6 is already announced and it's very far from release.
Mike_Romeo Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 23 hours ago, Svelerdijk said: Is the project alive? My skins
falcon_120 Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 I think it's pretty safe to say that the EF will not be released anytime soon. By that, I mean in 2023. Not so sure, I'm hoping for a late 2023 release.Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk 2
JumpinK Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 My guess: mid to late 2024... 2 1 "Landing on the ship during the daytime is like sex, it's either good or it's great. Landing on the ship at night is like a trip to the dentist, you may get away with no pain, but you just don't feel comfortable" — LCDR Thomas Quinn, USN.
-Matt- Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 8 hours ago, JumpinK said: My guess: mid to late 2024... +1, my guess too.
Horns Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 This comment from HB on the F-4 forum seems to suggest it will be up to five months before the hype campaign starts for the Phantom. Seems prudent not to expect that to hit EA before Q4. I have to believe they'll give it at least 12 months between releases, and then allowing time for the hype campaign and presale... I'm afraid my guess is the Typhoon hits EA in the first half of 2025. I hope history judges me pessimistic. 1 Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
Scott-S6 Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) We believe that 2023 will be a truly exciting year for all, with the introduction of eagerly awaited modules like the DCS: F-4E by Heatblur, DCS: F-15E by RAZBAM, DCS: OH-58D Kiowa Warrior by Polychop, DCS: F4U-1D Corsair by Magnitude 3, DCS: C-130J by the Airplane Simulation Company, new Mirage F1 versions by Aerges, DCS: Normandy 2.0 map by Ugra Media, the DCS: Sinai Map by OnReTech, and more! Please don’t miss to watch our 2023 AND BEYOND VIDEO! Link That announcement makes 2023 look less likely. The Kiowa and C130 being possible for 23 were surprises though. Edited January 6, 2023 by Scott-S6 1
Aluminum Donkey Posted January 7, 2023 Author Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) Wow, I haven't posted to this thread in a while. Surprised to see that the Typhoon hasn't been released yet. My new RTX 3070 will probably be obsolete when it gets released AD Edited January 7, 2023 by Aluminum Donkey 1 Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Asus ROG Strix RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Aviation is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money!
Gorn_GER Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 Sorry for the flex but who buys less than RTX 3080 when planning to play DCS with it? For me, 3070 already is obsolete for DCS. 1
McCloud Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Gorn_GER said: Sorry for the flex but who buys less than RTX 3080 when planning to play DCS with it? For me, 3070 already is obsolete for DCS. It’s really dependent on the resolution you are using. for me, the 3080 is obsolete for me as I fly exclusively in VR and the vram is needed.
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