How do you land in awful bad weather on an airstrip without ILS?

[d0ppler]

Title says it all. Are there any old school ways to do this, or do you divert to an ILS supported airfield?

[randomTOTEN]

TACAN approach.

[Dagger71]

ILS is not a requirement of IFR nor during instrument meteorological conditions. As long as you have the required flight instruments and follow ATC you can land.

 

Now in game we do not have a proper ATC so IFR with IMC landings without ILS are a lot harder as we do not get feedback, unless a human GCI is on.

 

DCS is lacking in ATC/aifield interaction, but it is supposed to be improved on in the future (properly working runway lights, better ATC).

 

For now, white knuckle it till touchdown! To be honest I don't remember the last time I used ILS in game...

[randomTOTEN]

To be honest I don't remember the last time I used ILS in game...

That's because everybody makes day CAVOK missions... both in SP and MP.

[d0ppler]

Ok, I must read up on TACAN approach.

 

It would be cool with a MP server reading latest METARs for the area they are in and fed them into the game. Dynamic, off course :)

[ZeroReady]

Georgia at War has real time METAR injected into the server. Pretty crappy weather there sometimes.

[Puma]

Ifr approach charts help too. Caucasus and navada has great coverage. Pg not so much.

[=Panther=]

A-10 has a pretty smart toy, called the CDU.

 

Check out http://www.476vfightergroup.com/showthread.php?3861-Night-Landing-without-instruments&p=41499&viewfull=1#post41499 or just read my quoted section below of how to land without an ILS or TACAN.

 

In his book "Viper pilot", Dan Hampton describes a situation where they have to land at Ali al-Salem, that has no IFV charts.

It's night. There's a sandstorm, with only a quarter mile visibility. There's 10 of them.

He flies to the airport, get's a markpoint on the beginning of the runway and communicates the L/L and elevation with all the others.

That point they use to get themselves on the ground.

 

Something like that can be done in DCS.

Get yourself a markpoint of the beginning of the ruwnway.

You make a mission waypoint out of that markpoint with following settings:

SCALE: APPROACH

VNAV MODE: 3D

VANGEL: ENTERED

value for VANGLE: -3.0 ("glideslope" angle)

 

You can use that waypoint as a steerpoint to get yourself on the ground.

 

Just verified it. Works like a charm.

So, you have that going for you if there are no other options available.

 

[MAXsenna]

Ok, I must read up on TACAN approach.

 

It would be cool with a MP server reading latest METARs for the area they are in and fed them into the game. Dynamic, off course :)

Go try the instant action mission "Hard landing" for the C-101.

Enjoy!

 

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[QuiGon]

That's because everybody makes day CAVOK missions... both in SP and MP.

Especially in MP :(

 

A-10 has a pretty smart toy, called the CDU.

 

Check out http://www.476vfightergroup.com/showthread.php?3861-Night-Landing-without-instruments&p=41499&viewfull=1#post41499 or just read my quoted section below of how to land without an ILS or TACAN.

Amazing, I'm flying the A-10C for almost 10 years now and didn't know that such approach parameters could be entered for waypoints.

Thanks for sharing! :thumbup:

[d0ppler]

Thanks =Panther=! The CDU is a bit intimidating for me, since I've just recently started to learn this airframe, but of course, the answer lies in the CDU :D

[Yurgon]

Check out http://www.476vfightergroup.com/showthread.php?3861-Night-Landing-without-instruments&p=41499&viewfull=1#post41499 or just read my quoted section below of how to land without an ILS or TACAN.

 

Wow, that is really cool! Thanks for sharing! :thumbup:

[unlikely_spider]

A-10 has a pretty smart toy, called the CDU.

 

Check out http://www.476vfightergroup.com/showthread.php?3861-Night-Landing-without-instruments&p=41499&viewfull=1#post41499 or just read my quoted section below of how to land without an ILS or TACAN.

 

Do you have to use the F10 map to get the lat & long and elevation coordinates? This use case assumes that you can't see the runway, correct?

[Yurgon]

Do you have to use the F10 map to get the lat & long and elevation coordinates? This use case assumes that you can't see the runway, correct?

 

F10 map, airport chart, overheard markpoint, SPI from another flight member - you can get pretty creative. ;)

[Revs]

I would tune to airport tacan, dial the course heading to runway heading, intercept the course some 5 miles away from tacan. By then I should be about 2000ft AGL, and flying toward ta tacan then adjust to land

[LG_Barons]

Title says it all. Are there any old school ways to do this, or do you divert to an ILS supported airfield?

 

If you have a friend, also playing DCS and using LOTATC you could fly a PAR while he/she is talking you down.

 

Hilsen

LGB

[Stuka]

In the example I had set the touchdown point to approach mode.

Setting it to terminal mode, gives you a more precise approach.

[BuzzU]

A-10 has a pretty smart toy, called the CDU.

 

Check out http://www.476vfightergroup.com/showthread.php?3861-Night-Landing-without-instruments&p=41499&viewfull=1#post41499 or just read my quoted section below of how to land without an ILS or TACAN.

 

I don't understand this? If he can fly to the airfield and get a mark point. Why can't the whole group do it and land? How did he do it without ILS or Tacan?

[QuiGon]

Do you have to use the F10 map to get the lat & long and elevation coordinates? This use case assumes that you can't see the runway, correct?

The CDU has a DIVERT page, which shows you all the nearby airfields with their coordinates and I think elevation too.

[Yoda967]

I don't understand this? If he can fly to the airfield and get a mark point. Why can't the whole group do it and land? How did he do it without ILS or Tacan?

 

He was taking one for the team. It's better to have one guy fly into terrain than to have the whole group do it. If he could make it, then they all could, but first, he had to make it. If he didn't make it, the rest of them could try something else.

 

In the case of an airfield, the elevation of the touchdown zone is known from the charts, but not the precise coordinates. Often, the airfield location noted on any documentation is taken from somewhere else on the field. So, the idea of overflying the runway and marking its position is pretty smart, even though it's desperate.

 

The answer to your last question is almost certainly "luck".There must have been enough visibility for him to see the immediately surrounding terrain (enough to avoid flying into the ground) if not the required distance for a marginal VFR approach, but he also had to have been relying on his "spidey senses".

[BuzzU]

Ok, kind of what I thought but wasn't sure. How would this be applied to DCS?

[=Panther=]

How would this be applied to DCS?

 

The OP asked how to land at an airbase in bad weather without ILS.

[xWARGOx]

Someday I hope to make it back to land........ ;-)

[BuzzU]

The OP asked how to land at an airbase in bad weather without ILS.

 

I was asking how the example you posted could be applied to DCS?

 

I'll ask you in a different way. The weather is so bad you can't see more than 100ft. ILS and Tacan are not available. F10 is arcade and can't be used. How do you find a specific airfield?

[lobo]

I was asking how the example you posted could be applied to DCS?

 

I'll ask you in a different way. The weather is so bad you can't see more than 100ft. ILS and Tacan are not available. F10 is arcade and can't be used. How do you find a specific airfield?

 

1) Pull up divert page.

 

2) Fly over selected airfield.

 

3) Pull yellow handles.

 

4) Once on ground, find familiar road.

 

5) Walk to the O Club.