REAL LIFE Hot Shot Case 1 Recovery...

[CommandT]

So I'm sure like many of you I've done about a billion Case 1 recoveries in DCS... 800ft on the BRC at 350kts, break before 1nm from the carrier TACAN, get down to 600ft downwind, configured etc etc.

 

So now, here is a Super Hornet coming in, breaking BEFORE reaching the ship and keeping 1 continious turn to line up for a perfect recovery. In the desciption is says 500ft and 480kts... I mean REALLY? REALLY? I need speedbrake at 0.5nm past the carrier to be able to configure and slow down in time before dropping gear and flaps so I can be at 600ft before starting the turn. But this guy... holy crap - flying god right here... can you even start the circuit at 500ft? Did he disable the comments so that all DCS pilots don't start giving out to him :lol::lol::lol:

 

[G B]

It’s called a Shit Hot Break. There are many examples. Check out this one at 600 knots.

 

[Archaic]

Look how loose and relaxed he's holding the stick. BPM is probably 40.

[CommandT]

It’s called a Shit Hot Break. There are many examples. Check out this one at 600 knots.

 

 

I wish that was higher res, hard to make out the numbers on the hud. Would be interested to see how the numbers work out for him to make it.

[Tonkenna]

The biggest clue is 6.7g...

 

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[ebabil]

we are always told not to touch the stick during landing but only mess with trim. But this pilot uses stick like a helicopter cyclic

[G B]

we are always told not to touch the stick during landing but only mess with trim. But this pilot uses stick like a helicopter cyclic

 

You gotta touch the stick. Lineup is a big reason. But also to “influence the nose” with glideslope corrections.

[Falby]

I also noticed how he lowered his grip on the stick when in the groove.

[majapahit]

It's like a drivers license. You fly NATOPS to get the drivers license, after which you become the better driver because you can do donuts with you pals on the parking lot with a crowd cheering you on. Don't muck it up because then you'll look stupid.

[HILOK]

You gotta touch the stick. Lineup is a big reason. But also to “influence the nose” with glideslope corrections.

 

really would love to understand what that "influence the nose" thing is all about.

is it like dampening the jets pitch oscillations, or is it about helping the jet overcome inertia/quicker getting back on glide path? or sth else?

 

thanks

[Svend_Dellepude]

really would love to understand what that "influence the nose" thing is all about.

is it like dampening the jets pitch oscillations, or is it about helping the jet overcome inertia/quicker getting back on glide path? or sth else?

 

thanks

 

AFAIK he is using stick to keep AoA steady.

[G B]

really would love to understand what that "influence the nose" thing is all about. or is it about helping the jet overcome inertia/quicker getting back on glide path?

 

thanks

 

Yup. That’s right. You control glideslope with the throttles. Do not think otherwise. But you can influence the nose to help it out. Influencing is what it sounds like: small nudges of the stick in the appropriate pitch direction.

[HILOK]

Yup. That’s right. You control glideslope with the throttles. Do not think otherwise. But you can influence the nose to help it out. Influencing is what it sounds like: small nudges of the stick in the appropriate pitch direction.

 

guess i'll have to try that out then, thanks :thumbup:

[Lex Talionis]

Ok, i will try and do a better job this time explaining the concept.

 

... aircraft naturally seek what they are trimmed for regardless of power, attitude, control type, etc (if in fact the pilot has the control of the trim in the first place). Positive longitudinal stability.

 

If you are properly trimmed on speed, the aircraft will seek that. As it seeks on speed it will go through a series of oscillation (trading kinetic energy for potential and vice versa. basically the nose pitching up and down) if left to its own demise, those oscillation will eventual dampen out and reach equilibrium (on speed if that is in fact what you are trimmed for). You can expedite the aircraft seeking equilibrium by helping dampen out those oscillation with your right hand. this is the "influencing the nose" concept.

 

What you don't what to do is over pitch the nose and exacerbate those oscillation.

Nor do you want to change the trim (again, given the primes that you are trimmed for what you want, on speed) thus changing the aircraft seeking on speed, to something other than.

 

The way this will all display in the cockpit and be useful information to you as the front seat stick actuating meat puppet is: The E bracket and velocity vector will move together. IF they move excessively independently from each other, you are flying glide slope with the nose and that is no bueno ...

 

Hope that helps. :)

 

EDIT: just read the previous page (sorry i am on my phone) and looks like others have said exactly what my dumb but regurgitated. sorry about that, carry on.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Lex Talionis

[fagulha]

Ok, i will try and do a better job this time explaining the concept.

 

... aircraft naturally seek what they are trimmed for regardless of power, attitude, control type, etc (if in fact the pilot has the control of the trim in the first place). Positive longitudinal stability.

 

If you are properly trimmed on speed, the aircraft will seek that. As it seeks on speed it will go through a series of oscillation (trading kinetic energy for potential and vice versa. basically the nose pitching up and down) if left to its own demise, those oscillation will eventual dampen out and reach equilibrium (on speed if that is in fact what you are trimmed for). You can expedite the aircraft seeking equilibrium by helping dampen out those oscillation with your right hand. this is the "influencing the nose" concept.

 

What you don't what to do is over pitch the nose and exacerbate those oscillation.

Nor do you want to change the trim (again, given the primes that you are trimmed for what you want, on speed) thus changing the aircraft seeking on speed, to something other than.

 

The way this will all display in the cockpit and be useful information to you as the front seat stick actuating meat puppet is: The E bracket and velocity vector will move together. IF they move excessively independently from each other, you are flying glide slope with the nose and that is no bueno ...

 

Hope that helps. :)

 

EDIT: just read the previous page (sorry i am on my phone) and looks like others have said exactly what my dumb but regurgitated. sorry about that, carry on.

 

 

Thank you for your insight.

Reading about your experience, and learn from it, it´s a dream come true to me.

Best wishes,

F.

[High_Flyer]

From the same guy showing it off in DCS with a side by side comparison to the real break:

 

[TonyG]

My go at the SHB in DCS to the SuperCarrier. Comments welcome. Little LO at the start.

 

[Jetguy06]

front seat stick actuating meat puppet

 

 

I'm stealing this :lol::lol::lol: Perfect description of the "aviator" in a FBW jet.

[Mumby]

My go at the SHB in DCS to the SuperCarrier. Comments welcome. Little LO at the start.

 

 

My only comment is: very well done! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[HILOK]

@ lex & g b

 

thanks a lot for taking the time to clarify! very much appreciated :thumbup:

[TWC_SLAG]

The biggest clue is 6.7g...

 

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I saw 7.4 at one point.

[TWC_SLAG]

Yup. That’s right. You control glideslope with the throttles. Do not think otherwise. But you can influence the nose to help it out. Influencing is what it sounds like: small nudges of the stick in the appropriate pitch direction.

 

I would like to know what button he uses for trim. I didn’t see him once touch a bottom on the grip.

[Brun]

I would like to know what button he uses for trim. I didn’t see him once touch a bottom on the grip.

The video in the OP? Can quite clearly see it being trimmed at about 50 sec.

[G B]

I would like to know what button he uses for trim. I didn’t see him once touch a bottom on the grip.

 

IRL once I set the trim to on-speed, I didn’t touch it again. Some other guys may have their own techniques.

[CBStu]

Two things I noticed; 1- IRL here is a really long carrier wake vs DCS. That would really help me being able to see it that far from the ship. 2- His shoulder harness sure is loose.