Clickable Cockpit for Su-33?

[rayrayblues]

Any chance of seeing this anytime soon?

The Flanker is a great plane and I'm just not good at

remembering a whole lot of key binds. I would very much like to

just be able to click the switches.

 

Also, an English language option for the dash panel would help.

I love having it in my Russian helos. (Ka-50 and Mi-8)

Edited July 15, 2020 by rayrayblues

[sirrah]

Certainly not happening soon. So don't hold your breath for it.

 

Russia appears to be not so keen on releasing classified info

[Seaeagle]

Certainly not happening soon. So don't hold your breath for it.

 

Russia appears to be not so keen on releasing classified info

 

What country is "keen on releasing classified info"? :D

 

Anyway, whats classified about the Su-33? - it has practially the same onboard systems as the old Su-27, while the main things that sets it apart from this(flight characteristics/carrier related systems) are already simulated pretty well with the new PFM.

[sirrah]

What country is "keen on releasing classified info"? :D

 

Anyway, whats classified about the Su-33? - it has practially the same onboard systems as the old Su-27, while the main things that sets it apart from this(flight characteristics/carrier related systems) are already simulated pretty well with the new PFM.

 

Well, some countries do share classified info, and by doing so it automatically becomes unclassified :)

 

Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but the Su-27 is officially still classified.

[rayrayblues]

I don't have the 27. Is it like the 33 or is it clickable?

[sirrah]

I don't have the 27. Is it like the 33 or is it clickable?

 

No it's not

[Harlikwin]

Yeah. Not happenin...

 

Apparently ED doesnt think a 4th gen redfor fighter would sell well enough.

[Baco]

Well maybe the OP, is not asking for a full detailed module, but only to make the current functionality Clickable...

[draconus]

Well maybe the OP, is not asking for a full detailed module, but only to make the current functionality Clickable...

That'd be a cool feature indeed and bring FC3 a little more toward DCS standards, faking the ASM :)

[Seaeagle]

Well, some countries do share classified info, and by doing so it automatically becomes unclassified :)

 

Heh well ok, but I would say that it comes in the reversed order :)

 

Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but the Su-27 is officially still classified.

 

Hardly - you can find lots of open source information on it including an operator's manual.

[CarbonFox]

I believe it would violate changes the Russian government has implemented with regards to the release of potentially sensitive military information. Something ED can't do being a Russian-based company. At this point, I'd be happy with some additional aircraft to FC3 or MAC (when that comes out).

[Oceandar]

I've been flying Flanker since the beginning and honestly I'm losing hope. Maybe at some point they'd make DCS HiFi Flanker but I'm afraid not in my life time.

[Fri13]

Yeah. Not happenin...

 

Apparently ED doesnt think a 4th gen redfor fighter would sell well enough.

 

I don't know..... It is so interesting to fly the Soviet era fighters, far more than any western Teen-series. ED is eventually forced to start making Soviet era fighters, it is unavoidable. As soon they have F-14, F-15, F-16 and F-18 completed for DCSW. They have no where where to go anymore than either start producing some very old variants like A models. But it is done then the Cold War era from the west side for fighters.

 

And ED undoubtedly must have acknowledged that they can not keep so heavy BlueAir weighted DCSWorld as it doesn't sell eventually anymore. They need to bring the balance. And there is huge untapped market right there. But Razbam is going for it with MiG-23, something that ED years ago (2016-2018 or so) said "We are not going to give MiG-23 for anyone else", but eventually looks that ED gave that license away. So looks they do not care at all about the Soviet era fighters, as otherwise they would have already found a way to do it.

[The LT]

I believe it would violate changes the Russian government has implemented with regards to the release of potentially sensitive military information. Something ED can't do being a Russian-based company. At this point, I'd be happy with some additional aircraft to FC3 or MAC (when that comes out).

Please, stop spreading false information. You're wrong on all points.

[Oceandar]

Please, stop spreading false information. You're wrong on all points.

Interesting, I can see you're highly likely a Russian citizen. Please elaborate.

[Evoman]

Please, stop spreading false information. You're wrong on all points.

 

 

Part of this information was talked about by Wags from ED in this podcast interview. I highly suggest listing to it to be up to date.

 

The interview goes into the discussion of Eastern Bloc Aircraft @11:44.

 

 

 

https://alert5podcast.podbean.com/e/scramble-04-matt-wags-wagner/

Edited July 19, 2020 by Evoman

[The LT]

Interesting, I can see you're highly likely a Russian citizen. Please elaborate.

As has been said previously, early Su-27s have long been declassified with plenty of documentation and flight manuals available. ED are just reluctant to upgrade FC3 aircraft.

[Evoman]

As has been said previously, early Su-27s have long been declassified with plenty of documentation and flight manuals available. ED are just reluctant to upgrade FC3 aircraft.

 

 

It's not that they have been reluctant, but they are simply unable to do so with eastern block aircraft because of licensing restrictions. The only way they could possibly get them upgraded is if they were to hand them off to a 3rd party to do so. However ED should be able to upgrade the other western FC3 aircraft with out restrictions.

[The LT]

It's not that they have been reluctant, but they are simply unable to do so with eastern block aircraft because of licensing restrictions. The only way they could possibly get them upgraded is if they were to hand them off to a 3rd party to do so. However ED should be able to upgrade the other western FC3 aircraft with out restrictions.

Oh for Christ's sake, please... What "licensing restrictions" are you even talking about? Please, provide at least a single source apart from Wags vids. We all know how sincere they are.

 

There are no restrictions. ED is a foreign company based in Switzerland. See their press releases signage.

[Oceandar]

As has been said previously, early Su-27s have long been declassified with plenty of documentation and flight manuals available. ED are just reluctant to upgrade FC3 aircraft.

Hmm.... Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I remember read in this forum Chizh said the Su-27 is still classified. Regarding ED reluctant probably related with concern that the jet would not sell well.

[HankCzinaski]

Also, an English language option for the dash panel would help.

I love having it in my Russian helos. (Ka-50 and Mi-8)

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/1286614/

or

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2863528/

[Aviators]

+1

[Fri13]

Part of this information was talked about by Wags from ED in this podcast interview. I highly suggest listing to it to be up to date.

 

The interview goes into the discussion of Eastern Bloc Aircraft @11:44.

 

 

 

https://alert5podcast.podbean.com/e/scramble-04-matt-wags-wagner/

 

Nothing of it says about Russian laws, or that ED can not do it ever.

 

Listen carefully the link you posted.

 

Wags clearly says that he isn't saying it being so, but they could have possibility to make a new office and make a RedAir modules that way.

And there is nothing said about Russian legislation being the problem, only that they currently can not do those modules.

 

But if you think that domestic company can not make the module because military secrets, but domestic company would be allowed to publish a foreign company releasing those so said military secrets.... You would be illogical.

 

What ever are the reasons, are unknown so far.

Only the ED statement is known, that is they are unwilling to do those - for now.

[Fri13]

Hmm.... Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I remember read in this forum Chizh said the Su-27 is still classified.

 

Well, they must have got some access to official flight performance and wind tunnel data to upgrade the Su-27S and Su-33 modules to PFM.

And Su-27S we have is the first serial production model, that is basically the only "steam gauges" Flanker there is, as next upgrades went straight to large MFCD cockpits.

 

Regarding ED reluctant probably related with concern that the jet would not sell well.

 

That is their only sensible thing they have said about that. But considering that people would like to see "Flanker 3.0", I doubt that it would sell badly, even if it would be a Su-27S and nothing newer.

[Fri13]

There are no restrictions. ED is a foreign company based in Switzerland. See their press releases signage.

 

Only legal side that I believe that is holding back is the hypothesis that because Eagle Dynamics is a Foreign company in Russia (as you say, based to Switzerland) that has office in Moscow, that they are under very strict "foreign information" laws.

 

But it is little difficult to understand that how they would anyways manage to get away with their business, that is to check, validate, confirm all the data that their partners (3rd party studios) are using (meaning ED has full access to all military information there is) and so on they would be somehow "outside" the legal risks.

 

Like Mi-24P is coming out, KA-50 is out. MiG-23 (as old retired fighter) is coming out etc. There is plenty of Soviet/Russian military data that ED is handling and managing as foreign company in Russia.