FC3 MIG 31 WITH R-37 MISSILE IN MULTYPLAYER TO BALANCE F14 WITH ITS AIM 54

[musolo]

Multyplayer is broken with an overwhelming BLUEFOR platforms introduced in past couple of years. There are crouds of F14s unrivaled out there. And half of Blue planes endup on Red side to remedy complete uslessness of obsolete early versions of jets representing Reds. When you talk about F14 - Mig 31 is only worthy adversary. Same interceptor role same punch mighty R-37 missile. It will give F14 something to worry about.

It`s the same if you had snipers or rocket launchers only for one team in fps multyplayer game. This is the most stupid thing right? What do you think?

[Mars Exulte]

Your decision to play on poorly balanced servers is nobody's problem but yours. It is certainly not ED's problem to ''balance'' online, privately operated missions/servers. If you don't like it, play on a server that restricts the Phoenix (or perhaps is not focused around AirQuake). If you don't want to do that, suck it up.

[Nipil]

Sorry, but it's not likely to happen. ED stated before that it wouldn't release any new FC-level modules. And MiG-31 must be too classified to make it in full fidelity. Sad but true. I understand your frustration, but we still can't get even early MiG-29, which is waaaaay simpler.

 

BTW, F-14A is coming very soon, and it is officially in Iranian service, so having a Red Tomcat on PG map is totally legit, no need for a worthy rival.

[Exorcet]

Blue side tends to be more advanced, but there are solutions to that in mission design. However, at this moment we do have an unrealistic imbalance due to blue missiles getting attention first in ED's missile rework. This should get better when they focus their attention on the R-27 and R-77. Right now only the AIM-54 and AIM-120 are remotely reliable and realistic energy retention.

 

 

ED also recently added neutral coalition, which could make IFF a thing and stop fighter from launching missiles as soon as they get a radar contact.

[probad]

as someone who flies red more often than not, i find the challenge of imbalance refreshing and meaningful

[Buzzles]

Aside from the Mig-31 is a pure intercepter and it can't dogfight with any of the current blu-for aircraft anyway (so it's not truly "balanced" if that's what you care about), as others have said: the issue here is you're on servers that don't restrict the weapons.

[Evoman]

I haven't been playing online in a while mostly because I spend the little time I have training and staying current on with carrier ops. But it was a joy to hear that the F-14 is now the king of the virtual skies mostly because that title used to belong to the F-15C. I detested the F-15C then because I considered it an unfair and unbalanced advantage because it was a low fidelity aircraft that any Joe could become an ACE in with little training and work load to operate.

 

 

 

So like others have stated the Mig-31 is a pure interceptor that is not an ideal match for the F-14. Plus like I have mentioned before, I consider Low fidelity vs High fidelity an unbalance in the first place.

 

 

 

The best REDFOR options that are actually on the way is the Iranian F-14A and the Mig-23. Which by the way the Mig-23 would be a far better adversary with it being far more agile than the Mig-31. Plus it would fit the adversary role perfectly for the new Syria map.

 

 

Edited July 18, 2020 by Evoman

[Southernbear]

I mean it would be the best option for a proper REDFOR BVR plane. Missile ranges in DCS are dubious at best and you put that on top of already lower range missiles but better performing missiles means you get a bunch of REDFOR planes that struggle to get into the position they prefer.

 

While I'd like to see the Mig 31 as it would open up that type of combat to REDFOR I wouldn't suggest the R-37 as its meant as an AWACS killer and even poorer than the AIM-54 against fighters. What you'd be looking for is either the R-33, R-33E or R-33S as the Russian equivalents to the AIM-54.

 

However as it has been stated above, it would be very hard due to how the Mig 31 operates to make it FC3 and if you did it would out range any other FC3 and (if given the R-33E or S) out range any other plane expt the F-14.

 

This coupled with the fact that I can respect some people's wishes to keep REDFOR planes as a more challenging set of aircraft to fight with even though they are FC3 because they have such short range radars and missiles leading to more interesting gameplay like needing to use the terrain a lot more means that while I would kill to see F-14 style BVR gameplay on the Russian side doesn't mean it has to come to fruition

[draconus]

Musolo, unleash your anger, join the dark side, feel the power of Phoenix. If you need balance give the same aircraft to everyone.

[Coxy_99]

as someone who flies red more often than not, i find the challenge of imbalance refreshing and meaningful

 

This is why i started flying flanker bored of the fox3 turn cold was the same thing day in day out with flanker fox1 ER the kill is actually more rewarding after working for it for me anyway.

 

On another note ED really need that R family rework and a full fidelity flanker, Mig-23 will be ok but an MLD would be better fit.

[SovietAce]

It would be nice if AIM-54 get some re-work, so it wouldnt behave like long range AMRAAM. Currently best tactict against it is to turn tail and run.

REDFOR have tough times now. Only advantage we can use is try to be sneaky with OLS. And even that is problematic with BLUEFOR having datalink and 9X.

[dundun92]

Just my 2c, but I would hardly call the F-14 the king of the DCS MP skies (specifically airquake). No doubt its deadly in the right hands. But I would hardly call it the top. The AIM-54s, while having a lot of range, are super easy to chaff/notch. Combine that with the fact that most people think the extra range of the A mk60 makes it the best (while ignoring the vastly worst CCM), I do not find F-14s to be that hard to counter. And to the guy who called the F-15 easy mode, I have to strongly disagree. If anything, its the F-16/18 imo that are easy mode. Operating the radar on the F-16/18 is just as easy as the F-15, and they have a lot more features and options to use to your advantage (e.g, TWS scan centering, better detection range, adjustable bars/azimuth). Combine that with datalink, which (partly) removes the need for careful radar search and scanning to build SA. You can literally fly the Viper and Hornet around nose cold and turn on the radar just before a bandit enters AMRAAM range, and shoot. Theres a very good reason the F-15 is getting rarer on MP servers. It is simply not tactically competitive, and, ironically, requires more work and effort (in terms of using the radar to build SA), than the F-16/18. Imo, the F-16/18 are the top jets of the airquake skies, but again just my 2c feel free to disagree.

[Evoman]

Just my 2c, but I would hardly call the F-14 the king of the DCS MP skies (specifically airquake). No doubt its deadly in the right hands. But I would hardly call it the top. The AIM-54s, while having a lot of range, are super easy to chaff/notch. Combine that with the fact that most people think the extra range of the A mk60 makes it the best (while ignoring the vastly worst CCM), I do not find F-14s to be that hard to counter. And to the guy who called the F-15 easy mode, I have to strongly disagree. If anything, its the F-16/18 imo that are easy mode. Operating the radar on the F-16/18 is just as easy as the F-15, and they have a lot more features and options to use to your advantage (e.g, TWS scan centering, better detection range, adjustable bars/azimuth). Combine that with datalink, which (partly) removes the need for careful radar search and scanning to build SA. You can literally fly the Viper and Hornet around nose cold and turn on the radar just before a bandit enters AMRAAM range, and shoot. Theres a very good reason the F-15 is getting rarer on MP servers. It is simply not tactically competitive, and, ironically, requires more work and effort (in terms of using the radar to build SA), than the F-16/18. Imo, the F-16/18 are the top jets of the airquake skies, but again just my 2c feel free to disagree.

 

 

I am actually pleased to know that any other full fidelity module is better than the F-15C now. I had heard that the F-15's radar was not operating to its full potential of what it could be if it was full fidelity. So it makes total scene.

This also further shows why FC3 level modules would be at a disadvantage anyways making them an unbalanced alternative as REDFOR aircraft.

Edited July 21, 2020 by Evoman