announced DCS MiG-29A

[SAM77]

I think it's time I stopped flying the MiG29s and start flying the MiG29A or MiG29G. Start getting prepared to die, a lot.

Edited January 31 by SAM77

[FoxAlfa]

5 hours ago, TotenDead said:

Even soviet migs couldn't use those. R-73s, on the other hand, could be removed. For example, Iraqi MiG-29s were only equipped with R-60Ms

All including WP could use ER and ET both based on the Pilot testimony and flight manual data. 

[MA_VMF]

6 часов назад, TotenDead сказал:

Even soviet migs couldn't use those. R-73s, on the other hand, could be removed. For example, Iraqi MiG-29s were only equipped with R-60Ms

All Soviet MiG-29s could use energy rockets.

[ESAc_flankercobra]

 

 

Edited April 4 by ESAc_flankercobra

[Dragon1-1]

On 1/31/2025 at 5:17 PM, FoxAlfa said:

All including WP could use ER and ET both based on the Pilot testimony and flight manual data. 

Iraqi were not WP, though, they were vastly inferior models for the 3rd world. The only difference between Soviet and WP version was the IFF.

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Iraqi were not WP, though, they were vastly inferior models for the 3rd world. The only difference between Soviet and WP version was the IFF.

What evidence is there of that? All I know is that both 9.12 and 9.12A use Parol-2D. 9.12B is using more similar to Kremnij-2M of MiG-21/23 with 8BK code selector. In addition, differences between 9.12 and 9.12A are that 9.12A is using N-019E and export version of KOLS, though both are supposed to have identical performance to their domestic counterparts. In addition the 9.12A is missing Cipher 4-15 on its Datalink panel, which means it cannot connect to any Beryuza datalink ground stations, thus limiting them to Lazur/Vozduch-1M. 

[UmamusumeMirage]

Please,dear ED,let me get the Mig29 before 2026 and beyound！

[Harlikwin]

On 4/19/2025 at 5:34 PM, AeriaGloria said:

What evidence is there of that? All I know is that both 9.12 and 9.12A use Parol-2D. 9.12B is using more similar to Kremnij-2M of MiG-21/23 with 8BK code selector. In addition, differences between 9.12 and 9.12A are that 9.12A is using N-019E and export version of KOLS, though both are supposed to have identical performance to their domestic counterparts. In addition the 9.12A is missing Cipher 4-15 on its Datalink panel, which means it cannot connect to any Beryuza datalink ground stations, thus limiting them to Lazur/Vozduch-1M. 

The export radar was missing one mode "dogon" IIRC. KOLS is a more interesting question but I don't have proof one way or the other, but I suspect there may be differences. But yes you got the other stuff right. 

 

On 4/19/2025 at 3:39 PM, Dragon1-1 said:

Iraqi were not WP, though, they were vastly inferior models for the 3rd world. The only difference between Soviet and WP version was the IFF.

Iraqis generally demanded, and generally got pretty good gear from the SU. Their mig23MLA was upgraded well beyond standard soviet jets. It had a SPO-15, extra CM's etc. So I doubt their export 29's were anything other than what  the WP got, maybe they stripped out the DL stuff at best. 

 

[AeriaGloria]

5 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

The export radar was missing one mode "dogon" IIRC. KOLS is a more interesting question but I don't have proof one way or the other, but I suspect there may be differences. But yes you got the other stuff right. 

 

Iraqis generally demanded, and generally got pretty good gear from the SU. Their mig23MLA was upgraded well beyond standard soviet jets. It had a SPO-15, extra CM's etc. So I doubt their export 29's were anything other than what  the WP got, maybe they stripped out the DL stuff at best. 

 

Dogon is just the MPRF mode every MiG-29 has. 
 

You are referring to “SP” or “Free Space” mode where targets where plotted by azimuth-velocity, and was supposedly so disliked by Soviet MiG-29 crews it was removed after 2-3 batches, thus you won’t see any pictures with it really. 

[Harlikwin]

1 minute ago, AeriaGloria said:

Dogon is just the MPRF mode every MiG-29 has. 
 

You are referring to “SP” or “Free Space” mode where targets where plotted by azimuth-velocity, and was supposedly so disliked by Soviet MiG-29 crews it was removed after 2-3 batches, thus you won’t see any pictures with it really. 

Thanks for the correction. I just recall it was missing some free search mode. 

[Dragon1-1]

14 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Iraqis generally demanded, and generally got pretty good gear from the SU. Their mig23MLA was upgraded well beyond standard soviet jets. It had a SPO-15, extra CM's etc. So I doubt their export 29's were anything other than what  the WP got, maybe they stripped out the DL stuff at best. 

You sure those Iraqi mods weren't indigenous additions? Because they did not, in fact, get any better gear from the Soviets than any other 3rd world country, MiG-29 included. They didn't even get the R-27T and R-73, which miffed them somewhat. They did figure out how to mod the MiGs that they did get, though.

No, they might have demanded good gear, but they actually got the same monkey models the rest of the Middle East got. If they didn't, the Gulf War would not have been quite the cakewalk it was (assuming they knew how to use the fancier tech, their big problem was training).

Edited April 23 by Dragon1-1

[F-2]

2 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

You sure those Iraqi mods weren't indigenous additions? Because they did not, in fact, get any better gear from the Soviets than any other 3rd world country, MiG-29 included. They didn't even get the R-27T and R-73, which miffed them somewhat. They did figure out how to mod the MiGs that they did get, though.

No, they might have demanded good gear, but they actually got the same monkey models the rest of the Middle East got. If they didn't, the Gulf War would not have been quite the cakewalk it was (assuming they knew how to use the fancier tech, their big problem was training).

The Iraqi foxbat had those mods and it’s in the manual that the Soviets provided. The Iraqi Mirage F1s were also better than their French counterparts. They definitely were a demanding customer. Too much is made of difference in my opinion.

[okopanja]

2 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Because they did not, in fact, get any better gear from the Soviets than any other 3rd world country

Soviets tried to sell them compromosed Mig-25s and missiles, Iraqi demanded PDs, and they got them, which proved useful later.

 

[Harlikwin]

11 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

You sure those Iraqi mods weren't indigenous additions? Because they did not, in fact, get any better gear from the Soviets than any other 3rd world country, MiG-29 included. They didn't even get the R-27T and R-73, which miffed them somewhat. They did figure out how to mod the MiGs that they did get, though.

No, they might have demanded good gear, but they actually got the same monkey models the rest of the Middle East got. If they didn't, the Gulf War would not have been quite the cakewalk it was (assuming they knew how to use the fancier tech, their big problem was training).

Uh where else are they gonna get spo-15 from. The CM dispensers were from the MLD as well IIRC. 

After the disastrous first year of the war the Soviets were pretty amenable to upgrading Iraqi jets and capabilities. 

[okopanja]

On 4/23/2025 at 3:01 AM, Harlikwin said:

The export radar was missing one mode "dogon" IIRC. KOLS is a more interesting question but I don't have proof one way or the other, but I suspect there may be differences. But yes you got the other stuff right. 

Pilot of Yugoslav Mig-29 stating he used dogon mode in combat. Btw its also in the manual.

 

[FoxAlfa]

Most the differences I came across, weren't downgrade in performance, but number of available channels for concurrent use of the radar, both standard and war-only channels.

Not a big deal for a smaller air force. Of course, different IFF and GCI equipment based on the country, and a worser weapons type ofc.

One would argue that 9.12 was a just a stop gap for 9.13 and latter 9.15m for the soviets, but the end of USSR changed those plans.  

Also, Iraqis didn't get a 'better' MiG-23MLA, but a 'worser' MiG-23MLD that the soviets. Timeline and phrasing matters.  

Edited April 24 by FoxAlfa