fixed [REPORTED] DGFT radar Bore sub mode

[ramjet77]

DGFT ACM Bore submode selected by pressing TMS up and placing Bore cross over bandit but no radar lock.

 

Using HUD or Vertical scan sub modes on same target both give radar lock as supposed to.

 

Also could not get a radar lock using Bore with HMCS.

 

Could someone verify and then I’ll know if it’s the sim or me please.

[USAF-Falcon87]

DGFT ACM Bore submode selected by pressing TMS up and placing Bore cross over bandit but no radar lock.

 

Using HUD or Vertical scan sub modes on same target both give radar lock as supposed to.

 

Also could not get a radar lock using Bore with HMCS.

 

Could someone verify and then I’ll know if it’s the sim or me please.

 

I have the same problem if I try to use BORE from the TMS switch. Activating BORE from OSB2 of the radar MFD seems to work. (Cycles through 20[HUD Mode], 60 [Vert Scan]. and BORE).

[deadpool]

DGFT ACM Bore submode selected by pressing TMS up and placing Bore cross over bandit but no radar lock.

 

Using HUD or Vertical scan sub modes on same target both give radar lock as supposed to.

 

Also could not get a radar lock using Bore with HMCS.

 

Could someone verify and then I’ll know if it’s the sim or me please.

 

I also always have the "lock"-oval in front of my eye in NAV mode on my JHMCS.

 

Is that how it is supposed to be?

[SCPanda]

Right now if you turned on your JHMCS and try to lock a target using bore, you have to press TMS down once (it will still be bore instead of changing to verifical scan) and then you will be able to lock the target with the boresight mode cross on your hud. It is because the radar is trying to scan what your JHMCS is looking at instead of the HUD area. I am not sure if this is realistic or not. I doubt it is.

 

Also, if you want to lock your target using the ellipse on your JHMCS, you have to put the target in the ellipse AND press TMS up once (I usually just smash TMS up for multiple times because some times the lock does not happen). Again, I am not sure if this is realistic, but from my experience of flying the Viper in "another sim" (you guys know what I am talking about), it was not this case. Right now JHMCS just does not autolock anything.

 

Realistic or not. Keep in mind DGFT mode and JHMCS is WIP at the moment.

Edited August 20, 2020 by SCPanda

[SCPanda]

I also always have the "lock"-oval in front of my eye in NAV mode on my JHMCS.

 

Is that how it is supposed to be?

 

Same here. This did not exist before the update but now it is there permanently. I doubt this is realistic tho.

[ramjet77]

Definitely different behavior than previous versions so unless intended I think these features are bugged. Will continue to experiment.

[Tom Kazansky]

I use stable DCS what is currently the version before recent OB and have the same problems with Viper's boresight. I always have to use vertical scan mode to get a reliable lock behaviour.

[ramjet77]

Ok. According to the F16 guides I’m reading after selecting Bore the first target within 20 nm within the scan area cross below gun sight should automatically lock. This is not happening. Last time I used the feature it was working but that was a while ago possibly two updates back.

[ramjet77]

DGFT ACM Bore sight not getting radar lock

 

DGFT ACM Bore submode selected by pressing TMS up and placing Bore cross over bandit but no radar lock.

 

Using HUD or Vertical scan sub modes on same target both give radar lock as supposed to.

[deadpool]

Ok. According to the F16 guides I’m reading after selecting Bore the first target within 20 nm within the scan area cross below gun sight should automatically lock. This is not happening. Last time I used the feature it was working but that was a while ago possibly two updates back.

 

I have (reported) video and incidents with the F-16 in DCS where I could fly a F-16 with activated VScan into another plane and it would lock only from like 300ft away but not before.

 

I have reported it and stored in my head now: "ACM modes are completely broken and I'm waiting for them to fix it."

[skouras]

Also the JHMCS has Bore cicle on even on Nav mode doest change modes at all...

[BIGNEWY]

DGFT ACM Bore submode selected by pressing TMS up and placing Bore cross over bandit but no radar lock.

 

Using HUD or Vertical scan sub modes on same target both give radar lock as supposed to.

 

Hi TMS forward to initiate a track

 

thanks

[DD_fruitbat]

Right now if you turned on your JHMCS and try to lock a target using bore, you have to press TMS down once (it will still be bore instead of changing to verifical scan) and then you will be able to lock the target with the boresight mode cross on your hud. It is because the radar is trying to scan what your JHMCS is looking at instead of the HUD area. I am not sure if this is realistic or not. I doubt it is.

 

Also, if you want to lock your target using the ellipse on your JHMCS, you have to put the target in the ellipse AND press TMS up once (I usually just smash TMS up for multiple times because some times the lock does not happen). Again, I am not sure if this is realistic, but from my experience of flying the Viper in "another sim" (you guys know what I am talking about), it was not this case. Right now JHMCS just does not autolock anything.

 

Realistic or not. Keep in mind DGFT mode and JHMCS is WIP at the moment.

 

Thank you!

[Frederf]

To be exact while holding TMS forward in ACM BORE the radar will not track. It is releasing TMS forward after holding it which allows track.

[ramjet77]

I cannot figure out what is going on. I have run a repair and clean and am up to date with OB.

I have just flown a mission I have been using for ages to practice the use of DGFT and ACM.

Firstly as soon as I switched to DGFT the bandit infront locked up in what should be no Rad mode. Next I found he locked up in all sub modes without me doing anything. The last bandit I trailed would not lock up in Bore as described in this bug..... no amount of TMS forward or releasing would get him locked up.

For some reason I am getting very inconsistent variations whilst using DGFT. During the same encounter even going back to nav by centering the switch would not clear the DGFT sub mode.

I will try again tomorrow and see if I can post a track file.

[ramjet77]

BIGNEWY

 

Here is the first issue I am experiencing. As soon as I move DGFT switch into what should be a No Rad mode I straight away am getting a radar lock. I cannot unlock the target only cancel DGFT mode and return to Nav. Until I can get passed this I cannot now even try Boresight sub mode as target is already locked up.

 

Track file attached.

No Rad lock.trk

[Tom Kazansky]

here is another short track of boresight issue.

 

using current stable DCS, PG map.

 

in the beginning everything worked fine. then i turned HMCS on and got an AIM9X shot at the 1st MiG (in the replay it misses)

 

from there on till the end of the replay, no boresight attempt led to a lock. when ever i switched to vertical scan, there was a lock.

F-16C dogfight boresight issue.trk

[gavagai]

Who is labeling these bugs "Cannot Reproduce?" This is the easiest thing in the world to reproduce. Just try out boresight mode, it is obvious.

 

Immediately noticed by real-life Viper pilot too when he tried the module.

[Tom Kazansky]

another (even shorter) track.

 

here i started with turning on HMCS and got no boresight lock right away.

 

but then i noticed, that targets are locked when they are way below my line of sight/flight. but not always as you see in the track.

 

(i guess it has something to do with the HMCS point of view even when it is not shown bc it is covered by HUD or cockpit.)

F-16C dogfight boresight issue 2.trk

[ramjet77]

I think apart from the No Rad mode locking up issue and inability to cancel a lock without exiting DGFT as Tom says above I think the bore sight bug is indeed linked to HMCS. I too started having errors after using it for a while and switching it off again. I’m certain it is affecting Bore lock up in some way but cannot produce exact steps to say what it is. Definitely not working without a bug or two in there somewhere

[Sacarino111]

He everybody.

Just try without the HMCS. Turn it off. Not just DMS down to stop showing on hte helmet, I mean turn the knob off (completely CCW). Switch Dogfight mode on, TMS up once and place the plane close to the cross. Automatoc lock will inmediatly happen.

Cheers.

Saca111

Edited August 21, 2020 by Sacarino111
Typo error

[ramjet77]

Automatic lock occurs as soon as you switch to DGFT without even needing TMS up to Bore sub mode but should not. Try Turning HMCS on for a while using it then turn it off And try Bore mode again. This is where it will not lock for me.

[Sacarino111]

Hi again.

Did some trials and:

If HMCS is off (knob CCW), all happens as supposed. TMS up and place the plane close to the cross and Voilà.

If HMCS is on, and independently of if it is visible or not, the Radar will try to lock in the position where the oval is (or would be). If you are looking way over the HUD and you place the cross over the plane, no lock at all will occur. If you try to place (virtually or really) the oval over the target, and the oval would be more or less where the cross is, you will get that llock.

HMCS or not HMCS, that is the question!

Saludos

Saca111

Edited August 22, 2020 by Sacarino111
typos

[ramjet77]

Ok firstly when you switch to DGFT and do nothing else are you getting a lock on a target within the HUD because I am. If so this in incorrect as it should be a no radar mode. Bore does work correctly if you switch to it fast enough. So I’m trying to track down issue with HMCS affecting it. I’m sitting here going through it over and over again.

I will experiment with what you say.

 

Thanks

Edited August 21, 2020 by ramjet77

[Tom Kazansky]

Ok firstly when you switch to DGFT and do nothing else are you getting a lock on a target within the HUD because I am. ...

Thanks

 

 

i get a lock when i turn on dogfight mode.