littlewing Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Hi, I'm having serious issues with 32GB of RAM. I've got 32GB, when I'm off the game there is barely use of RAM , everything works fine. When I'm playing the latest beta version with Syria (but not only) the game seems to use around 15GB but for some reason windows shows full usage of memory and it must be because of the game since everything is fine when I exit the game, it affects performance and even the ability of windows to function. I attached some pictures Has anyone experienced this? I have RX580 8GB, I7-9700, 32GB, Oculus Rift S DCS version 2.5.6.54046 Thanks
Oceandar Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Isnt it a good thing? I have 24 Gb RAM and in busy server it could climb to 24 Gb of RAM usage and I didnt see any performance drop. Anyway if the high RAM usage really concerned you try to lower the texture and preload setting. Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze
littlewing Posted August 28, 2020 Author Posted August 28, 2020 Hi Oceandar, Thanks for the reply. I'm playing SP and it causes the game and other apps to crash so I don't think it's a normal behavior. The weird thing is that the game shows actual usage of 15 GB of ram, but windows shows 32 GB of ram usage (as shown in the picture).
Flappie Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Hi littlewing. I agree with Oceandar: W10 can use all your RAM without crashing. It doesn't work like it used to with previous Microsoft O.S. It's safe... unless you have no pagefile, but we'll see about that in your log files. From what we can see in your screenshots, DCS takes the third of your RAM (11GB for DCS on out of 32G). It means that all other executed software, W10 included, take about 20GB of RAM. Your log files should help us determine what's making your DCS crash. Please attach the following files: dcs.log dcs.log-2020###.zip (the latest file ou can find) Both files can be found in C:\Users\your_name\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Logs. ---
Thinder Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) Hi littlewing. I agree with Oceandar: W10 can use all your RAM without crashing. It doesn't work like it used to with previous Microsoft O.S. It's safe... unless you have no pagefile, but we'll see about that in your log files. From what we can see in your screenshots, DCS takes the third of your RAM (11GB for DCS on out of 32G). It means that all other executed software, W10 included, take about 20GB of RAM. Your log files should help us determine what's making your DCS crash. Please attach the following files: dcs.log dcs.log-2020###.zip (the latest file ou can find) Both files can be found in C:\Users\your_name\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Logs. It greatly depends on which version of Windows 10 you have, Pro is <> OK, home is horrible when it comes to memory management. I know that for a fact since I swapped my Home edition for the Pro for this very reason. The difference is enormous, no more connection bottleneck (80%), the O.S is a lot more responsive and faster. Plus you have the opTion of accessing the registry editor (when you know what you're doing ) to fine tune it, which is a hell of a hack to achieve with Home edition. Day and night. ...... Edited August 28, 2020 by Thinder Win 11Pro. Corsair RM1000X PSU. ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS [WI-FI], AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D, Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X 24GB GDDR6. 32 GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series (4 x 8GB) RAM Cl14 DDR4 3600. Thrustmaster HOTAS WARTHOG Thrustmaster. TWCS Throttle. PICO 4 256GB. WARNING: Message from AMD: Windows Automatic Update may have replaced their driver by one of their own. Check your drivers. M-2000C. Mirage F1. F/A-18C Hornet. F-15C. F-5E Tiger II. MiG-29 "Fulcrum". Avatar: Escadron de Chasse 3/3 Ardennes. Fly like a Maineyak.
littlewing Posted August 29, 2020 Author Posted August 29, 2020 Hi, Thanks for the replies, If you sum up all the RAM usages from other apps you won't get 20GB, when I exit the game there is almost no usage of RAM, it seems that when I play the game, although dcs seems to take only about 12GB windows for some reason shows 100% of RAM usage, exit the game and everything is fine. The pictures show that.
Flappie Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 OK, but if you don't share your log files, there's nothing we can do to solve your issue. ---
littlewing Posted August 29, 2020 Author Posted August 29, 2020 Ok, I attached the logs. Please keep in mind that the game crashed because of high memory utilization (and other programs crashed as well) - It is just the consequence for the high memory utiliztion. My goal is to understand why the game is using around 12-16GB while windows shows full memory usage when there are no other programs that are using 16GB Thank you.dcs.logdcs.log-20200828-063735.zip
Flappie Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 That's what I thought. Your system has no pagefile. Nada. Zip. Let Windows handle its virtual memory, and you should be fine. In the Virtual memory settings, tick the "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives". ---
Eldur Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 Let Windows handle its virtual memory, and you should be fine. Literally not the best thing you could do. Go ahead and set a fixed size instead like 8192 - 8192 at least. To get the correct value, just multiply the GB you want by 1024. I also added one as I'm also one of those "no swap" guys (well, just 2GB for the beginning as I'm a little tight on free space) to see it it already prevents Windows from closing things even when there's still like 8-9GB free as that happened recently while just flying over the Syria map without any assets on it. If you can afford to have more, go for 16384 instead, or even 32768. More than that shouldn't be of any use really. But having Windows manage it means it will constantly be resized which just isn't great since it always costs valuable performance when it does that.
Flappie Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 My Windows is on auto and it uses a 32GB pagefile next to my 32GB of RAM. I know this fluctuates,but I'd like to know first if the auto mode is enough for him to get rid of his memory issues. ---
littlewing Posted August 30, 2020 Author Posted August 30, 2020 Thank you guys, I set the pagefile to 8192 MB. It's just weird that windows shows 100% RAM util while the game is consuming around 12-15GB. Thank you.
Mars Exulte Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 That's what I thought. Your system has no pagefile. Nada. Zip. Let Windows handle its virtual memory, and you should be fine. In the Virtual memory settings, tick the "Automatically manage paging file size for all drives". Yep, love it or hate it, Windows was designed this way. You can get around it, but it's literally guaranteed to cause issues from time to time. Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2
Mustang Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 There is a sticky on this topic https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=230471
MattCri Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 No crashes for me but in the Syria map the memory usage is atrocious, I have 8 gb of vram and even at 1080p It is not enough.
blkspade Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 The reason for the disparity is that applications can request a given amount of memory prior to actually populating it. So DCS is preallocating all of the remainder of to have more immediate access to space it may need. Task manager is only showing how much DCS is actually using at any given time. http://104thphoenix.com/
Sandman1330 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 The reason for the disparity is that applications can request a given amount of memory prior to actually populating it. So DCS is preallocating all of the remainder of to have more immediate access to space it may need. Task manager is only showing how much DCS is actually using at any given time. Oh really? Do you know which number MSI Afterburners performance monitor reports? The reason I ask is lately I have been seeing MSI Afterburner report all 11Gb of VRAM and all 32GB of system RAM in use while playing DCS (especially in Syria and PG, Caucuses uses less system RAM). Playing with system settings had had little to no effect. I’m curious if that RAM is actually in use or just pre-allocated as you say... Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Asus Crosshair VI Hero X370 / Corsair H110i / Sapphire Nitro+ 6800XT / 32Gb G.Skill TridentZ 3200 / Samsung 980 Pro M.2 / Virpil Warbrd base + VFX and TM grips / Virpil CM3 Throttle / Saitek Pro Combat pedals / Reverb G2
bolek Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 The reason for the disparity is that applications can request a given amount of memory prior to actually populating it. So DCS is preallocating all of the remainder of to have more immediate access to space it may need. Task manager is only showing how much DCS is actually using at any given time. You can see how much is allocated by enabling the "Commit Size" column on the Details tab in Task Manager.
HC_Official Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 lucky you at 15G, when using DCS with Syria in editor I am using 32G of my 32G RAM Turned ground textures down to low and it dropped to 16G approx No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. .
MattCri Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 lucky you at 15G, when using DCS with Syria in editor I am using 32G of my 32G RAM Turned ground textures down to low and it dropped to 16G approx same here, i have 16 gb and dcs is using everything but dcs.exe is allocating only 8.3. Also, is using more than 8gb of vram in 1080p, max usage is around 10 on my system. Also, very strange, after a few minutes flying around it always unload 2-3gb of system ram and i can see all the ground texture reloading after using the F10 map the first time.
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