Anyone planning on getting the 3090 for VR?

[Waxer]

So anyone know which 3rd parties will have 3090's at release? EVGA I saw, and obviously NVIDA... Anyone know any big differences between them yet?

 

Nvidia are using "2" bin chips. EVGA starter cards either "0"or "1" bin. We don't know for sure. Also Nvidia FE has a slightly higher bios power limit to the non OC, reference, starter cards. Some higher tier EVGA cards might be using "2" bin and for sure have higher bios limits. I am trying to find details of what the power limits actually are. Hard information is sketchy so far.

 

BTW... for 2000 series the performance difference for "2" bin overclocks were typically worth +c.2% performance increase.

[162ndLoadtoad]

Anyone aware of where you can pre-order?

[Mking]

When the 3090 more as 50% faster in dcs i will buy the card. Its lower waiti g for next generation

[Waxer]

Anyone aware of where you can pre-order?

 

For the 3080:

Reviews 16th Sept at 6am PST

17th Sept 2020 at 6am PST orders open from Nvidia and the AIBs. No "pre orders".

[Snake122]

I plan to try to get a 3090 specifically because of the 24gb VRAM so I can turn up the super sampling and AA with the Pimax 5k+ that usually runs about 9-10.5 GB VRAM in my 1080Ti with AA off and PD at 1.2., 100% large FOV resolution. With my system DCS is generally bottlenecked by the GPU as confirmed by fpsVR, my CPU frametimes normally in SP are around 10ms, GPU 14+ms.

 

If you can wait though a 3070Ti/S is confirmed to be coming with 16gb of VRAM and a 3080Ti/S is rumored at 20gb.

 

Anyone aware of where you can pre-order?

You can't on this one, Nvidia isn't allowing it. 17th is 3080 release, 24th is 3090. Edited September 14, 2020 by Snake122

[Harlikwin]

Nvidia are using "2" bin chips. EVGA starter cards either "0"or "1" bin. We don't know for sure. Also Nvidia FE has a slightly higher bios power limit to the non OC, reference, starter cards. Some higher tier EVGA cards might be using "2" bin and for sure have higher bios limits. I am trying to find details of what the power limits actually are. Hard information is sketchy so far.

 

BTW... for 2000 series the performance difference for "2" bin overclocks were typically worth +c.2% performance increase.

 

I have no idea what any of that means. So the 2 bin chips are better?

 

I'm generally leaning to the NVIDA FE version, but if there is a reason to go with a different card I'd like to hear the argument.

[Svsmokey]

Just learned about this myself . "0" bin is capable of stock to ~5% overclocking , "1" bin is capable of ~10% , and "2" is ~15+ oc . The higher bin chips also will run cooler at stock clocks .

[Waxer]

I have no idea what any of that means. So the 2 bin chips are better?

 

I'm generally leaning to the NVIDA FE version, but if there is a reason to go with a different card I'd like to hear the argument.

 

I can explain.

 

Currently estimated yields from Samsungs 8nm on Ampere is that:

10% of chips are bin 2

60% bin 1

30% bin 0

 

(This is actually pretty impressive for bin 1, so early in the production cycle of these chips.)

 

 

Founders Edition use the bin 2 chips which have better silicon: more capable of overclocking and less reliant on higher voltages for stability at higher clock speeds. Therefore they consume less power and run cooler. Testers are being given the Founders Edition... surprise, surprise. You can recognise bin 2 chips as they are labeled with an "A" suffix. For example: GA102-A. (Typically the bin 2 chips are found closer to the centre of the silicon wafers as the individual chips are cut out.)

 

El cheapo / regular bin 0 and bin 1 chips are labeled GA102. These will be the ones sent out to AIBs and used on the lower end cards like the Asus TUFs and the EVGA XC2s, the Eagles or whatever they are called. It is not clear what the higher end AIBs are using and whether they get the GA102-A chips... things like the Asus Strix and the EVGA FTW3.

 

Certainly the Galax HOF and EVGA Kingpins will be using bin 2 and perhaps the AIBs will even bin these even further.

 

Conclusion: people are better off getting the Founders Edition as you get 1) good binned chips, 2) a very expensive, high quality cooler, 3) it looks like the Founders Edition is about $150 cheaper than AIB cards with similar silicon.

 

This puts me in a slight bind as I intend water-cooling and I don't fancy taking one of those Founders Edition cards apart to get to the goodies underneath. I don't want a bin 0 chip. And I don't want to pay $150 extra. Something has to give.

[Harlikwin]

Thanks for that explanation. Looks like FE for me in that case.

[Snake122]

Problem is seems that the FEs, especially the 3090s are going to be very limited supply on release.

 

Moore's Law is Dead even is claiming Nvidia is doing this on purpose to market cheaper cards and all the AIBs will be higher prices than the marketed MSRP of the FEs. Another claim is that the 3080 20gb/3070 16gb versions will be out as soon as October.

 

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[Harlikwin]

Problem is seems that the FEs, especially the 3090s are going to be very limited supply on release.

 

Moore's Law is Dead even is claiming Nvidia is doing this on purpose to market cheaper cards and all the AIBs will be higher prices than the marketed MSRP of the FEs. Another claim is that the 3080 20gb/3070 16gb versions will be out as soon as October.

 

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Yeah, but is the hop to the 3080ti worth it vs a 3090. I'm worried the 3090 performance still isn't gonna be good enough for VR, much less a 3080ti for a bit less.

[Waxer]

Another claim is that the 3080 20gb/3070 16gb versions will be out as soon as October.

 

Nvidia can do that if they want to in reaction to Big Navi. Which launches (soft launch or actual launch we are not sure) late October.

[Snake122]

Yeah, but is the hop to the 3080ti worth it vs a 3090. I'm worried the 3090 performance still isn't gonna be good enough for VR, much less a 3080ti for a bit less.

I get that too, but it's seeming like what leaks are out there the 3090 isn't really that much faster without things ED won't support, like DLSS 2.1. Especially when it's over twice the price. If a 3080 20gb is $1000 USD in late October could be a good deal for those that can wait. But I too will be on the 3090 first day wave if I can find one because I've saved up and it's burning a hole in my pocket, hoping something doesn't happen before I that which would force me to be more responsible

 

It will also be interesting to see exactly how much their VRAM compression will effect things. For those of us that are happy with the settings and just want faster framerates, the compression may make it have even more effective VRAM on the 3080 than the 11gb 1/2080Ti cards.

 

 

Link to the mentioned article:

https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/nvidia-s-ultimate-play

 

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Edited September 14, 2020 by Snake122

[Supmua]

For me I would need about 100% power increase from the 2080Ti to fully enjoy VR with all the eye candies on minus motion smoothing. The 3090 will not get me there but I won't complain. In a year or two we might get there with next gen CPU/GPU, unless ED makes the engine more complex with more sophisticated anti-aliasing, cloud rendering, weather engine, dynamic missions, etc. that would consume more fps.

[hansangb]

Going to be interesting to see what I can get my hands on first.

My Reverb G2 I have on pre-order.

Or an EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3.

 

Hopefully both will be close together.

 

 

3090! Going big time Don!!! :D

 

 

BTW, I EVGA's Z490 was sold out for a while so I went with MSI. It's OK, but I really really prefer EVGA.

 

 

 

Me: Wait for the reviews to come out before you buy anything

Me: Casually going to EVGA to see if it's on sale! LOL

[javelina1]

I can explain.

 

Currently estimated yields from Samsungs 8nm on Ampere is that:

10% of chips are bin 2

60% bin 1

30% bin 0

 

(This is actually pretty impressive for bin 1, so early in the production cycle of these chips.)

 

 

Founders Edition use the bin 2 chips which have better silicon: more capable of overclocking and less reliant on higher voltages for stability at higher clock speeds. Therefore they consume less power and run cooler. Testers are being given the Founders Edition... surprise, surprise. You can recognise bin 2 chips as they are labeled with an "A" suffix. For example: GA102-A. (Typically the bin 2 chips are found closer to the centre of the silicon wafers as the individual chips are cut out.)

 

El cheapo / regular bin 0 and bin 1 chips are labeled GA102. These will be the ones sent out to AIBs and used on the lower end cards like the Asus TUFs and the EVGA XC2s, the Eagles or whatever they are called. It is not clear what the higher end AIBs are using and whether they get the GA102-A chips... things like the Asus Strix and the EVGA FTW3.

 

Certainly the Galax HOF and EVGA Kingpins will be using bin 2 and perhaps the AIBs will even bin these even further.

 

Conclusion: people are better off getting the Founders Edition as you get 1) good binned chips, 2) a very expensive, high quality cooler, 3) it looks like the Founders Edition is about $150 cheaper than AIB cards with similar silicon.

 

This puts me in a slight bind as I intend water-cooling and I don't fancy taking one of those Founders Edition cards apart to get to the goodies underneath. I don't want a bin 0 chip. And I don't want to pay $150 extra. Something has to give.

that was very helpful. thanks M8! :thumbup:

[dburne]

3090! Going big time Don!!! :D

 

 

BTW, I EVGA's Z490 was sold out for a while so I went with MSI. It's OK, but I really really prefer EVGA.

 

 

 

Me: Wait for the reviews to come out before you buy anything

Me: Casually going to EVGA to see if it's on sale! LOL

 

LOL yeah I am with you there.

Next week I will be watching that EVGA site very closely for that 3090 FTW3.

[Mel]

I can explain.

 

Currently estimated yields from Samsungs 8nm on Ampere is that:

10% of chips are bin 2

60% bin 1

30% bin 0

 

(This is actually pretty impressive for bin 1, so early in the production cycle of these chips.)

 

 

Founders Edition use the bin 2 chips which have better silicon: more capable of overclocking and less reliant on higher voltages for stability at higher clock speeds. Therefore they consume less power and run cooler. Testers are being given the Founders Edition... surprise, surprise. You can recognise bin 2 chips as they are labeled with an "A" suffix. For example: GA102-A. (Typically the bin 2 chips are found closer to the centre of the silicon wafers as the individual chips are cut out.)

 

El cheapo / regular bin 0 and bin 1 chips are labeled GA102. These will be the ones sent out to AIBs and used on the lower end cards like the Asus TUFs and the EVGA XC2s, the Eagles or whatever they are called. It is not clear what the higher end AIBs are using and whether they get the GA102-A chips... things like the Asus Strix and the EVGA FTW3.

 

Certainly the Galax HOF and EVGA Kingpins will be using bin 2 and perhaps the AIBs will even bin these even further.

 

Conclusion: people are better off getting the Founders Edition as you get 1) good binned chips, 2) a very expensive, high quality cooler, 3) it looks like the Founders Edition is about $150 cheaper than AIB cards with similar silicon.

 

This puts me in a slight bind as I intend water-cooling and I don't fancy taking one of those Founders Edition cards apart to get to the goodies underneath. I don't want a bin 0 chip. And I don't want to pay $150 extra. Something has to give.

 

The Founders Edition cards looks to have a good cooling solution. The partner cards seems to be priced higher and none of them seems to be using the reference cooler unlike previous series.

 

I have a hunch the FE cards will be paper launches, and not just the 3090. A way for Nvidia to get the public awareness of quality cards at a specific price, while we might end up having to get more expensive (and potentially inferior)cards from partners due to low/no availability.

[Snake122]

The Founders Edition cards looks to have a good cooling solution. The partner cards seems to be priced higher and none of them seems to be using the reference cooler unlike previous series.

 

I have a hunch the FE cards will be paper launches, and not just the 3090. A way for Nvidia to get the public awareness of quality cards at a specific price, while we might end up having to get more expensive (and potentially inferior)cards from partners due to low/no availability.

That's pretty much what the article I linked thinks too. He mentions that the FE cooler is rumored to cost them $150 alone and effectively makes it a mostly vaporware loss leader for Nvidia to flex marketing muscle. Also the FE cooler is great for the card, but they are going to push hot air towards the CPU in most cases with second fan, which the AIB cards look to be doing as well but not as much. If you have a high air CPU overclock, you may need to watch out if you can actually get one.

 

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[imacken]

This time around, the FE is looking like a pretty attractive option to me. I love the look of the card, and the innovative cooling looks, well, innovative!

Along with the bin 2 chips, its potential for easy overclocking with Afterburner makes it a real contender. That is if you could ever get hold of one, of course.

[Motomouse]

But the FE is not a real card, only a fake product to make the competitor look bad. You will have to buy a third party partner product for an inflated price.

 

Lets put some pressure on NVidia to actually provide enough of the FE cards for the demand or let them pay if they do not put their products where their mouth is!

Edited September 15, 2020 by Motomouse

[Motomouse]

AMD card will be slower than 3080 and cost less than 699.

 

But a real 3080 available for everybody will not be 699, but 800 or more.

[Waxer]

Quick heads up for anyone considering watercooling a new RTX 3000-series card.

 

I usually buy EVGA cards (various reasons); I remove the air cooler and fit a waterblock. I had originally thought the XC3 would be using an NVidia reference PCB.This cycle even the base model XC3 (and its derivatives like the XC3 OC, XC3 Black) use a custom PCB. It is closely based on the reference PCB, but EVGA did some minor tweaks to it meaning that waterblocks specifically designed for the reference PCB are NOT guaranteed to fit.

 

Check online configurators before purchasing.

[boedha68]

Rtx 3090 VS Rtx 3080. Leaked benchmarks too minimum to justify 800 to 1000 dollars extra. Going Tomorrow for the 3080 and hopes for 90 fps in my hp reverb. :D

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by boedha68

[Motomouse]

90 fps with low settings at 100% rendering should be achievable