2080Ti vs RTX 3090 for VR

[Vanguard]

Same here. We shouldnt really need to defendingly explain why we did get the best CPU’s there is.

Ridicilous.

 

The statement *not the best choice for DCS* should be changed to *not the most economical choise* for DCS. Big difference.

 

Agreed, I removed a few choice adjectives before landing on "ultimate" in an attempt to be neutral, but yes, I meant economical/value for what you would get from a pure DCS rig.

[javelina1]

its been really useful in populating my ignore list...

 

its also been useful for finding people who, actually think, though to be fair i had already spotted them,

 

 

that said my 3090 is on order so we will see

I'm anxious to hear your report, once you have it installed!

[dawgie79]

Same here. We shouldnt really need to defendingly explain why we did get the best CPU’s there is.

Ridicilous.

 

The thread is taking a new dead end track, just as the *CPU bound* track.

The statement *not the best choice for DCS* should be changed to *not the most economical choise* for DCS. Big difference.

 

Just about any CPU with at least two or three cores on 5Ghz+ is a good choise, today.

Any CPU only running 5Ghz on a few cores might be not good in the future.

Either buy cheaper CPU’s more often or more expensive less often.

There is no wrong with getting a cheaper CPU getting the same DCS performance as with the overall best CPU. Its also not wrong getting the best CPU.

 

The thread is about 2080ti vs 3090, and I guess that settles sort of the frames.

You have a 2080ti (hi end) and and thinking about getting a 3090(hi end).

But how many of us in description above have sneaked out on the CPU choise?

 

Im waiting for my 3090 and I sure hope it delivers good enough to make my CPU the limit, so next step will be a better performing CPU in the future.

The main problem in performance still will be the (lack of) VR optimization on ED's side. :)

 

As Kate Perederko told us in the interview with Tactical Pascale; their biggest problem at the moment is legacy code.

 

So that's why i wouldn't expect magic with these new cards, or newest CPU's for that matter. Sure, it'll help a bit, but nothing shocking. I'll be coming from a 1080 tot a 3080 and don't expect to see my fps flying through the roof. ;)

[Sn8ke_iis]

Same here.

 

Aurelius test (+41%) give some indication on what to expect, Im sure there will be a lot of openings to either get 90fps more often, or to use the extra power to increase settings that increase the overall gaming experience.

 

As Im looking to get a Pimax 8KX, I think I can justify a 3090 only because of that.

Reverb at 150% SS as I use now means 18% more pixels to produce with 100%SS /PD1.0.

 

His benchmark for the 2080 Ti was accurate enough. He only got to test the 3090 really quickly though. Last time for the 2080 he did some really thorough benchmarks.

 

Even then I bet it will be around 40% based on his report and other gaming benchmarks in general. Curious to see the frametimes for VR at different settings especially AI objects, shadows, etc. Memory usage as well.

 

Good to hear some of you guys actually have the card on order. I'll probably end up getting whatever is in stock for me first.

 

I've been using the T-51 free flight over Caucauses, but any mission will work as long as you establish a good baseline for comparison. Free module/free map is easily replicable though and people don't have to find a user file to download.

 

MSI Afterburner has a good benchmark feature.

 

I suspect the 3080 will be sufficient for most people but I'd be willing to shell out the extra dough for that 10-15% extra performance of the 3090.

 

I had a Reverb but sold it, looks like preorders are shipping in Dec/Jan for the G2.

[STRYC]

I really don't want to sound like a arrogant d-bag, or throw my credentials around to make a point, but you seriously don't know what you're on about. Not CPU bound...

 

 

 

This game is old and in need of some serious optimization for today's hardware. Sitting on the deck of the super carrier slaps my 2080ti around like a console and calls it a IGP.

 

 

Not arrogant. You're correct. I have an overclocked, watercooled, Power and Bios modded 2080ti, with a 9900k running 5.1Ghz all cores. My Son has the same video card running on a 7700k. We get the EXACT same frame rate with the same VR HMD.

[Baldrick33]

I've been using the T-51 free flight over Caucauses, but any mission will work as long as you establish a good baseline for comparison. Free module/free map is easily replicable though and people don't have to find a user file to download.

It is a good benchmark in the sense everyone has it but it isn't really representative of the kind of gains people should expect for DCS in general.

 

The free flight over Caucasus doesn't really work my CPU much at all, with a comfortable 4ms or so frame time headroom to achieve 90fps. Yet my 2080Ti is generally unable to to maintain 90 fps and is in the 13-15ms range much of the time. I could easily downgrade my CPU here and the benchmarks would conclude an older CPU with a 3080 or 3090 is the sweet spot for DCS.

 

As soon as you load up a mission with a few aircraft and a more demanding map even the latest, fastest CPU is now struggling. I think a dogfight with a couple of aircraft on each side would be a better benchmark but better still multiple scenarios. At least then people could get an idea how the hardware might impact the way they play DCS.

[Gryzor]

In Syria MAP I´m sure that the 24GB from 3090 will be a benefit... now with my 2080ti video mem surpass 11GB... specially with terrain on high quality texture settings.

[Gunnars Driver]

The main problem in performance still will be the (lack of) VR optimization on ED's side. :)

 

So that's why i wouldn't expect magic with these new cards, or newest CPU's for that matter.

 

I see tremendous difference in other games that has better coding.

 

Still, with my hardware I am qiute happy how it works in DCS. I can achieve a descent picture quality and still have not stutter at all. As I wrote, I did order the 3090 to be able to increase the picture quality. As always, its a comprimize and with a better card I will be able to increase settings that earlier had to be tuned down to keep the game flowing without stutter(I dont like stutter at all). Also, getting the pimax 8KX and that will increase the load on the GPU so I think 3090 is a good choise for me.

 

BTW, even if we think DCS is badly tuned from ED, Flighsimulator 2020 isnt that soft on hardware either and as it seems right now also most of the game engine running in one thread only loading a single core.

[msgreene77]

Hry, guys. I'm a noob when it comes to posting but I have scowered the threads for several years. I wanted to get your input/advice on possible upgrades. Bear in mind, I am sensible and understand graphic settings have a lot to do with how DCS performs, but I am trying to get more oomph and smoothness out of DCS. I use the Reverb, but have the G2 on pre-order. I mainly play only DCS, but now MSFS 2020 a d soon Star Wars Squadrons.

 

I currently have an i8700k, Asrock Pro4 mobo, 32gb patriot viper ram, low end aio cooler, rtx 2080 (non super) and Samsung Pro 970.

 

I have been looking at picking up a 3090 but Im hesitant that the $800 bump from the 3080 will be marginal. I could get a 10700k and Aorus mobo for that $800 spread. Trouble is the vram. Only has 10gb and I was really hoping for 16gb on the 30i0. Rumors say we are poasibly getting a 20gb 3080 but Id be surprised to see it priced under $1000. I wouldnt put it past Nvidia to price it closer to $1200.

 

Anyhoo, Im open to advice. Pilots here have a lot of experience and I respect that. While I can spend the money, I want to make sure Im getting my money's worth and also not wasting it in an area where my pc might already perform fairly well.

 

I should also mention spotting and maintaining visual is a problem for me that I hope the g2 will clear up a bit. VR in DCS can get pretty hazy.

[Harlikwin]

its been really useful in populating my ignore list...

 

its also been useful for finding people who, actually think, though to be fair i had already spotted them,

 

 

that said my 3090 is on order so we will see

 

I look forward to your review, and thanks for your help with my cpu frame time issue.

[speed-of-heat]

I look forward to your review, and thanks for your help with my cpu frame time issue.

 

You are very welcome! Glad it helped.

[OnlyforDCS]

Hry, guys. I'm a noob when it comes to posting but I have scowered the threads for several years. I wanted to get your input/advice on possible upgrades. Bear in mind, I am sensible and understand graphic settings have a lot to do with how DCS performs, but I am trying to get more oomph and smoothness out of DCS. I use the Reverb, but have the G2 on pre-order. I mainly play only DCS, but now MSFS 2020 a d soon Star Wars Squadrons.

 

I currently have an i8700k, Asrock Pro4 mobo, 32gb patriot viper ram, low end aio cooler, rtx 2080 (non super) and Samsung Pro 970.

 

I have been looking at picking up a 3090 but Im hesitant that the $800 bump from the 3080 will be marginal. I could get a 10700k and Aorus mobo for that $800 spread. Trouble is the vram. Only has 10gb and I was really hoping for 16gb on the 30i0. Rumors say we are poasibly getting a 20gb 3080 but Id be surprised to see it priced under $1000. I wouldnt put it past Nvidia to price it closer to $1200.

 

Anyhoo, Im open to advice. Pilots here have a lot of experience and I respect that. While I can spend the money, I want to make sure Im getting my money's worth and also not wasting it in an area where my pc might already perform fairly well.

 

I should also mention spotting and maintaining visual is a problem for me that I hope the g2 will clear up a bit. VR in DCS can get pretty hazy.

 

I would really hold off on that new graphics card. I mean sure, you will be able to turn the eyecandy up, but your minimum frames would still be a problem, and here no amount of graphics power will do much for you. As soon as you have a populated scene and the CPU frametimes spike you will be CPU bound no matter your card. From your system you have a very similar system to myself, with a more powerful graphics card, but then again you are using a headset with much more pixels to push. I think you should at least wait until AMD releases their new series, or your G2 arrives, whichever comes first. You don't really lose anything by waiting.

[msgreene77]

I would really hold off on that new graphics card. I mean sure, you will be able to turn the eyecandy up, but your minimum frames would still be a problem, and here no amount of graphics power will do much for you. As soon as you have a populated scene and the CPU frametimes spike you will be CPU bound no matter your card. From your system you have a very similar system to myself, with a more powerful graphics card, but then again you are using a headset with much more pixels to push. I think you should at least wait until AMD releases their new series, or your G2 arrives, whichever comes first. You don't really lose anything by waiting.

 

Thanks for the candid answer. It is my inclination thus far to wait. I really feel like Nvidia is baiting customers with this 3000 series release but I wont go into that. Wil be interesting to see how Big Navi performs.

 

So, wirh the graphics card consideration to the side, would I benefit much jumping up to a 10700k or 10850? Something in that range. I'm wondering if the CPU bump would be worth it.

[Baldrick33]

So, wirh the graphics card consideration to the side, would I benefit much jumping up to a 10700k or 10850? Something in that range. I'm wondering if the CPU bump would be worth it.

what speed is your 8700 running at?

[msgreene77]

what speed is your 8700 running at?

 

 

Stock atm, and an obvious area to boost for more performance. I havent overclocked because of the stock aio. It was an iBuypower pre-build I have been upgrading. I dont trust the stock aio to sufficiently cool the chip to anything much over 4.2 or so. I have been avoiding a new cooler. I figured if I am lifting the aio and reseating a better cooler, I may as well bump up to a better mobo and cpu. Still, I could get by biting the bullet and tossing on a new cooler to crank closer to 5ghz. Seems most are in the 4.7 to 5ghz range, I believe. Would choose the Deepcool Assassin III, Noctua NH-14S or something similar. I know liquid cools better, but I just dont wanna mess with it.

 

*After a look, seems like the 10,850 would be about a 9 to 10% boost single core and the 10,900 would be around 12%. Pricey chip atm, though.

Edited September 28, 2020 by msgreene77

[Harlikwin]

OC'ing will definitely help on the CPU frame time issue, as well as fast ram. Or at least it certainly helped me online by several ms.

 

I'm kind-of in the same boat, but I think I'll wait for the 11th gen intel stuff later next year. I just need to buy a water cooler to push much 4.8 with my rig and keep it stable.

[stormrider]

Seems most are in the 4.7 to 5ghz range, I believe. Would choose the Deepcool Assassin III, Noctua NH-14S or something similar. I know liquid cools better, but I just dont wanna mess with it.

 

 

I love my NH-14S. It was on my 4770k before and now on Ryzen 5 3600. I keeps it under 60C even under heavy VR gaming.

[dawgie79]

I see tremendous difference in other games that has better coding.

 

Still, with my hardware I am qiute happy how it works in DCS. I can achieve a descent picture quality and still have not stutter at all. As I wrote, I did order the 3090 to be able to increase the picture quality. As always, its a comprimize and with a better card I will be able to increase settings that earlier had to be tuned down to keep the game flowing without stutter(I dont like stutter at all). Also, getting the pimax 8KX and that will increase the load on the GPU so I think 3090 is a good choise for me.

I hope so for you, but sincerly I doubt it. :)

 

BTW, even if we think DCS is badly tuned from ED, Flighsimulator 2020 isnt that soft on hardware either and as it seems right now also most of the game engine running in one thread only loading a single core.

Well. First remark, we do DCS is not optimized, because ED themselves comfirmed this multiple times by stating the biggest problem they have is the legacy code.

 

Second remark. MSFS isn't really comparable with DCS. It has no units with their own modifying behaviours. And if we look at, what should be the most hardware-eating within MSFS is the weather engine. But there's no wake turbulence as far as I know, as well as precipitation as there are no contrails when flying high. To name a few. One other is the water, no depth, no splashes, nothing. It moves with wind but that's it. So in these regards DCS is much more detailed. And by definition, more demandable on hardware. :)

[Csgo GE oh yeah]

I had a 1080 ti, and now have a 3080

 

3080 is about twice as fast in VR DCS .

 

But, you have to turn the settings up obviously. If you play with only 100% supersampling, and all settings low then yeah you might get cpu-bottleneck

[imacken]

So in these regards DCS is much more detailed. And by definition, more demandable on hardware. :)

 

Not in my experience. MSFS is WAY more demanding on my hardware than DCS.

 

With pretty much everything maxxed (except MSAA as no need in 4K) in DCS, I almost never drop below my frame limited 58fps in 4K. In MSFS, I am lucky to see 58 ever, and that is with fairly medium settings. MSFS IS an example of CPU-bound software.

[Csgo GE oh yeah]

MSFS graphics are literally about 7x as good so yeah, it will stomp any graphics card into the ground.

 

Not sure how CPU intensive MSFS is . Maybe less than DCS , but that also depends on the DCS mission i guess. Shit tons of A.I will hurt FPS no matter what i assume.

[Gunnars Driver]

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Well. First remark, we do DCS is not optimized, because ED themselves comfirmed this multiple times by stating the biggest problem they have is the legacy code.

 

Second remark. MSFS isn't really :)

 

I didnt mean to question that DCS was perfectly programmed but that we actually seeing a complete new release by one of the most powerfull companies in the bussiness.

If anyone should have the power to make this about right they should.

 

Its easy to understand the massive work and time needed to incorporate vulkan for ED, which I guess have quite small resources compared to microsoft...If it was a small and easy task to make FS2020 optimized we most definitive should have seen that on FS2020.

 

 

I have accepted that DCS will be hard on hardware and I have invested to compansate for this earlier and also now, by ordering a Asus Strix 3090 OC to increase the performance.

[imacken]

It's not the graphics, as I said, MSFS is totally CPU bound. GPU idles along, whilst the CPU knocks its pan out!

[Gunnars Driver]

MSFS graphics are literally about 7x as good so yeah, it will stomp any graphics card into the ground.

 

Not sure how CPU intensive MSFS is . Maybe less than DCS , but that also depends on the DCS mission i guess. Shit tons of A.I will hurt FPS no matter what i assume.

 

Mainly harder on CPU than DCS is.

 

With my settings, the CPU more or less never limits in DCS.

In FS2020 it depends and varys between ”main thread”(=CPU) and GPU.

Most times it changes multiple times per second between GPU and CPU as the limit.

 

FS2020 only load one core hard and all others more or less sleeps.

[dawgie79]

Not in my experience. MSFS is WAY more demanding on my hardware than DCS.

 

With pretty much everything maxxed (except MSAA as no need in 4K) in DCS, I almost never drop below my frame limited 58fps in 4K. In MSFS, I am lucky to see 58 ever, and that is with fairly medium settings. MSFS IS an example of CPU-bound software.

 

Ah oki. I haven't flown in it yet because no VR no fly. :)

 

But in terms of units I assumed DCS is more demanding, when in highly populated missions and such. However, I hear a lot of people getting really good frames in MSFS with much less potent hardware than you have in yourt signature, so maybe it's also (as I already stated before in more general terms) about optimizing/tuning your own system.

 

Not saying you are like that, but many people think if they put in THE best card/proc in their systems, al problems magically disappear, and that's just not how computerperformance works I'm afraid. At least, in my humble experience.

 

Oh well. 7 billion people, 7 billion opinions, right. :D

Edited September 29, 2020 by dawgie79