correct as-is P51- insufficient shot damage

[Hobel]

On 9/23/2021 at 12:54 AM, NineLine said:

Even if you hit with AP, it is going to take a good concentration of fire in the same spot, which is nearly impossible, nearly.

 

It would be nice if this could at least be done in DCS.

 

 

In this video you can see very nicely how wings are cut off.

On the one hand, through explosions, as you already said.

But you can also see some sections caused by 50cals without explosions.

because in these places there is nothing that could explode.

https://streamable.com/bq1lwm

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by Hobel

[grafspee]

I totally get the idea but no one can say how much battle damage those plane got before wing snap off, what we see is only final thing.

I've seen many gun cams recording and i can say that wing coming off is not a common thing. Pls take consideration that  most spectacular guns cams were saved.

My statement is that cutting wing is very unlikely  event.

[NineLine]

Yeah, I am sorry guys, but its as it is now, damage those spars enough, and wings will break. 

[NineLine]

Also shooting wings off is possible, I did this with the Ju-88 as well just now. (Excuse my marksmanship I was trying to keep the round to the outer wing)

 

[Hobel]

yep  I also tested this last night.

Even if it is a bit much in my opinion, can live with it.

https://streamable.com/w9kupm

https://streamable.com/ro4pv3

https://streamable.com/l4sdie

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Hobel

[Coco22]

38 minutes ago, Hobel said:

yep  I also tested this last night.

Even if it is a bit much in my opinion, can live with it.

do she same test on the D9 and 109

i did a lot of test to and the FW190A8 it is the weakest, i did a lot of test and that my conclusion.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Coco22

[NineLine]

11 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

do she same test on the D9 and 109

i did a lot of test to and the FW190A8 it is the weakest, i did a lot of test and that my conclusion.

 

Yes and I analyzed all your tracks and you didnt do enough spar damage or get enough spar hits.

[Coco22]

57 minutes ago, Hobel said:

yep  I also tested this last night.

Even if it is a bit much in my opinion, can live with it.

https://streamable.com/w9kupm

https://streamable.com/ro4pv3

https://streamable.com/l4sdie

yeh yeh yeh, but i don t see the same test on a d9 or a 109 

[NineLine]

21 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

yeh yeh yeh, but i don t see the same test on a d9 or a 109 

I got way too close and missed way too much, but its all the time I can spend on this anymore.

 

[Hobel]

D9

https://streamable.com/tltv0b

https://streamable.com/ayexjv

Edited November 17, 2021 by Hobel

[Coco22]

in my opinion the wing can take to much damage, you put 26 rounds at 20 meters in the wing i don t think in real life the wing can take that 

 

[NineLine]

Just now, Coco22 said:

in my opinion the wing can take to much damage, you put 26 rounds at 20 meters in the wing i don t think in real life the wing can take that 

 

Ok, then we will have to agree to disagree. We are quite happen with the results currently.

[Coco22]

7 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Ok, then we will have to agree to disagree. We are quite happen with the results currently.

ok, just i don t understand on what you base to be sure you right

[NineLine]

2 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

ok, just i don t understand on what you base to be sure you right

Years of experience in the simulation creation world, diagrams and documents on wing strength tests and construction, highly educated development staff, and more. 

[Coco22]

3 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Years of experience in the simulation creation world, diagrams and documents on wing strength tests and construction, highly educated development staff, and more. 

ok that just a opinion juste like me and i think they are just little bit to strong, 

[Doughguy]

Excuse my ignorance, but how does one set up the ai to fly straight forward w/o flinching?

[razo+r]

5 minutes ago, Doughguy said:

Excuse my ignorance, but how does one set up the ai to fly straight forward w/o flinching?

Advanced waypoint options ROE -> hold fire and reaction to threat -> none

 

Or make it the same coalition as you and place a waypoint far away.

Edited November 17, 2021 by razo+r

[iFoxRomeo]

6 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

ok that just a opinion juste like me and i think they are just little bit to strong, 

On what do you base your opinion?

And how much is a little bit and what is the unit for this little bit?

Edited November 17, 2021 by iFoxRomeo

[NineLine]

7 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

ok that just a opinion juste like me and i think they are just little bit to strong, 

How do you see that as "just an opinion"? Wow... ok.

[Coco22]

52 minutes ago, NineLine said:

How do you see that as "just an opinion"? Wow... ok.

what i mean is that you are relying on your experience to do this, unfortunately there is no concret fact, we can t say how much bullet a wing can absorb for sure

[Coco22]

58 minutes ago, iFoxRomeo said:

On what do you base your opinion?

And how much is a little bit and what is the unit for this little bit?

same lot of experience and lot of flight 

https://stormofwar.info/pilots.php 

i m BJ Coco i go 71 kill confirmed for this month and i got 0 kill because of a wing failure and in DCS the pilots stay more easly in her plane because that a simulation and they don t eject easily, and you put more bullet in the plane in comparaison to the real life.

[Coco22]

1 hour ago, iFoxRomeo said:

And how much is a little bit and what is the unit for this little bit?

i don t really know how that work in dcs in the video where the 109 take 26 bullets in the same place i think we can go to 20, but that is more complexe i can t tell precisely.

5 minutes ago, Doughguy said:

Yes. Well.. it is a simulation? Thats why people do reckless things in it.

If they´d be killed for real they´d sure jump the heck out of their plane at the first sign of an unknown blip in the sky.

Your perception tells you DCS is wrong, however, the other game might be wrong, or wrong aswell. but thats perception.

i just say in dcs because that a simulation i put more bullet in a plane and in real life it doesn t happen often to compare 

5 minutes ago, Doughguy said:

Cant really say the damage model is shit cause people dont jump out of a plane fast enough. Its the people. and people do stupid things all the time.

i never say that and in dcs my only problem is the wing durablity that i do not understand 

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Coco22

[iFoxRomeo]

18 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

same lot of experience and lot of flight 

https://stormofwar.info/pilots.php 

i m BJ Coco i go 71 kill confirmed for this month and i got 0 kill because of a wing failure and in DCS the pilots stay more easly in her plane because that a simulation and they don t eject easily, and you put more bullet in the plane in comparaison to the real life.

I have to quote Nineline

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

Wow... ok.

 

I'm not talking about gameplay experience.

 

Do you have e.g. knowledge in metallurgy, aircraft construction, a physics degree?

Or do you base your opinion solely on games you played?

 

Fox

[NineLine]

29 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

what i mean is that you are relying on your experience to do this, unfortunately there is no concret fact, we can t say how much bullet a wing can absorb for sure

So you only read the first thing I said, I am sorry, but we have done a lot of work in this area, and you have shown nothing compelling that anything needs to change. Truth be told, if you are trying to shoot down an aircraft by cutting its wing off, you are doing it wrong anyways.

[Coco22]

1 minute ago, iFoxRomeo said:

Do you have e.g. knowledge in metallurgy, aircraft construction, a physics degree?

Or do you base your opinion solely on games you played?

xd no just on gun footage and experience 

2 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Truth be told, if you are trying to shoot down an aircraft by cutting its wing off, you are doing it wrong anyways.

xd in one month i shoot 71 plane just in pvp don t tell me that please, some time you shoot the wing and in dcs i feel that is very useless to do that and that,

and if you compare with the gun cam in dcs that impossible to do that with a quick burst.