BS3 still happening?

[S.E.Bulba]

5 часов назад, Fri13 сказал:

Why does Russia use US defense department standards?

Russia uses its own GOST R 52070-2003 standard, but it is almost a complete analogue of the MIL-STD-1553B.

 

5 часов назад, Fri13 сказал:

It isn't possible to unmount the missile, launcher and then insert the BCU to it for normal shoulder launched operation?

Yes, the Strelets SEM uses standard 9P39-1 or 9P338 launch tubes with 9B238 BCU from Igla or Igla-S MANPADS, respectively. It will only be necessary to attach the appropriate 9P516 or 9P522 launching mechanism and an iron sight.

 

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Россия использует свой стандарт ГОСТ Р 52070-2003, однако он является практически полным аналогом MIL-STD-1553B.

 

Да, в КАМ «Стрелец» используются стандартные пусковые трубы 9П39-1 или 9П338 с НИП 9Б238 от ПЗРК «Игла» или «Игла-С» соответственно. Нужно будет лишь присоединить соответствующий пусковой механизм 9П516 или 9П522, и механический прицел.

 

Edited May 1, 2021 by S.E.Bulba
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[Stratos]

I would love a Ka52, but seems impossible, If we dont lose the REAL Ka-50, why not to have this fictional Ka-50.

[dimitriov]

Is it realistic ? I guess not that much. 

 

Does it mean that getting it makes people who use it casual or midsimmers ? I guess not that much either. 

 

Because after all, Ka-50 real career has been on DCS, not in real life. I fly this helo and only this one for 10 years now... Having the engineers to listen at my feedbacks on what's missing is after all a normal operational behavior. All the gear already exists for the Ka-52. I would like a Ka-52, but I will gladly use the few pieces I can get from it on my 50.

 

I would have liked a FLIR, the full DIRCM, RWR, a better PrPnk, MFDs and RWR... I will only get an MWS and Iglas on a 3rd pylon... Past this, I'll tell you, I think those engineers are very stingy

 

In the end I don't get this much with BS3. At least from what I see. Not this much that would not be a free upgrade on other modules. Though I see the 3D work, I know what it is, and paying 10 bucks for it will be legit for me. But I strongly suggest ED to have a bit more than Iglas, MWS and constrast locking shkval onboard of their BS3. After all, the constrast locking should always have been ingame and would simply be a normal update, not a payware one. 

 

I insist on this : This is not normal to pay to get a system to be modelized correctly on a product that I already bought with written in its description that systems are correctly reproduced. 

 

I have no hesitation to yell it : Give me a FLIR. This will be the game changer and your upgrade will really be worth the money. And give the ability for "hardcore team" to swap shkval to FLIR, this way everyone is happy.

 

Nicolas

Edited May 1, 2021 by dimitriov

[Stratos]

I will love that President-S, thats for sure.

[Volk.]

1 hour ago, dimitriov said:

Give me a FLIR

The post 2000 FLIR would be boss. The #018 GOES-330 below for targeting and TOES-520 above for night navigation from the MAKS 2007 airshow would be, pardon the pun, ballin'. And as far as I know none of those are used in the Ka-52, so they might be old/unused/possibly-maybe outdated and declassified.

No idea how good those systems were, but that would be a pretty sweet BS3.

Would gladly sacrifice MWS, Kh-25 designation and IGLA capabilities (from yellow #25, yellow #24 and ???? respectively) for that option.

[CoBlue]

Unrealistic 2 extra "Fantasy pylons" no FLIR, no night capability. =no buy!

[Fri13]

So, we really don't know what exactly is coming and what was dropped? 

 

I haven't yet read newsletter so of there is more confirmed status...

[S.E.Bulba]

3 часа назад, Stratos сказал:

… If we dont lose the REAL Ka-50, why not to have this fictional Ka-50.

Well, to each his own… only, unfortunately, all it doesn't hold water. 
 

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Ну что же, каждому своё… только, к сожалению, всё это шито белыми нитками. 

 

[Stratos]

19 minutes ago, S.E.Bulba said:

Well, to each his own… only, unfortunately, all it doesn't hold water. 
 

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Ну что же, каждому своё… только, к сожалению, всё это шито белыми нитками. 

 

I'm a big fan of the Ka50, is the helo I used the most in DCS by far. If we can get a new chopper apart of the one we have now, where is the problem?

[S.E.Bulba]

13 минут назад, Stratos сказал:

… If we can get a new chopper apart of the one we have now, where is the problem?

I already wrote about the problems above, so I see no reason to repeat this over and over again.
 

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Про проблемы я уже писа́л выше, поэтому не вижу смысла повторять это снова и снова.

 

[3WA]

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

I'm a big fan of the Ka50, is the helo I used the most in DCS by far. If we can get a new chopper apart of the one we have now, where is the problem?

 

The real problem is, the Ka-50 is weak enough as it is as REDs main attack chopper.  But worse, it will be EATEN ALIVE by the Apache.  Ka-50 doesn't even have night capability ( flares are a bad joke ).  BLUE has always dominated the battlefield, because DCS is just not modeling modern RED aircraft.  If you can't get exact information on a copter, I think DCS is well capable of making very educated guesses on how things work.  At least within reason and simulation.  Especially on a Ka-52, as we already have the info on the Shark, and pictures of the Ka-52 cockpit are easily available.  There are really few secrets when it comes to the Ka-52.

 

Yes, I want everything as realistic as possible, but we really are losing the "modern" RED side.

 

2 hours ago, CoBlue said:

Unrealistic 2 extra "Fantasy pylons" no FLIR, no night capability. =no buy!

 

Well, I see the iglas and third pylons as an update that would have happened, because Ka-52 got that wing, and why make 2 wings?  However, we wouldn't even need the iglas if we could lock air targets with the shkval ( which was also eventually replaced with the GOES as it was deemed unsatisfactory in the end ).  Also, if we had realistic shrapnel, which doesn't seem to be modeled at all right now.

FLIR is a MUST.  Without it, the chopper loses all night capability.  Those flares are a joke, not to mention give away your position just like a flashlight on a gun.

Edited May 1, 2021 by 3WA

[IronChancellor]

The ka-50 needs an update. ED can't justify overhauling the module for free. People would throw a fit if ED charged for an upgrade with no new features. So the compromise is that they will have to add some 'fantasy' features so they can overhaul the module and justify charging for it. I think that this is an acceptable compromise.

 

Also, the Ka-50 doesn't need FLIR. It can see just fine unless its pitch black out. If BS3 makes the shkval work at dawn and dusk then it will work 18 hours a day and that is close enough.

 

Since we are bending the realism already, maybe we could change the S-8OM fuze to 17 seconds? I'm sure they could make this IRL if it was needed, and it only takes a tiny lua edit to do... @BIGNEWY

[3WA]

Tiny changes to make a "new module" won't sell.  You can already see the comments on here.  Besides, it's a III.  Do we have to buy a IV just to get FLIR?

 

It is well documented what people want to see on an "upgraded" future Ka-50 are.  I know they probably won't do it, so  personally, I'll probably just dump the Shark, and go with the Apache.

 

Now see IronChancellor, you ARE making a fantasy if you change the fuse timing in the S-80M, because unlike the Shark, it really does exist and in quantity.

There are no more Ka-50's.  They were an experiment to begin with, and by now have been scrapped for parts for the Ka-52.

Edited May 2, 2021 by 3WA

[IronChancellor]

1 hour ago, 3WA said:

Tiny changes to make a "new module" won't sell.  You can already see the comments on here.

A-10CII?

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Besides, it's a III.  Do we have to buy a IV just to get FLIR?

Not sure what you are getting at. They are never adding FLIR.

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I'll probably just dump the Shark, and go with the Apache.

If you want an apache then go fly that. Don't try to morph the ka-50 into an apache.

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Now see IronChancellor, you ARE making a fantasy if you change the fuse timing in the S-80M, because unlike the Shark, it really does exist and in quantity.

I began the sentance with, "Since we are bending the realism already."

[3WA]

Eh, forget it.  Pretty burned out on it right now.  What we really need is a Ka-52.

Edited May 2, 2021 by 3WA

[martinistripes]

12 hours ago, Stratos said:

If we can get a new chopper apart of the one we have now, where is the problem?

 

In short, there are many purist hardcore simmers that use DCS. They respect DCS for it's realism and authenticity. When you begin to add fantasy loadouts or hardware, it 'sours the broth' for them. Especially if they play multiplayer and the fantasy equipment starts to appear on servers (and it will).

 

On the plus side, we can always play offline in a realistic manner and, we can create or search for realistic online servers that exclude certain units or loadouts.

[Stratos]

And I understand it, but we're getting a new chopper, take it as fictional, a what if, a non real hybrid, and don't use it or allow it in servers, we don't lose the BS2, that one will still be available. Or I'm missing something?

[3WA]

As many have stated, no one's going to buy it unless it has FLIR.  The whole EO system needs an upgrade.

 

No FLIR, no night attack ability.  Like a blind tiger.

[notproplayer3]

I'd be a very happy man if I were flying that kind of bird too. I just believe that since even the president S system has seemingly been removed, this ka50 model is just a distant dream...

But I'd gladly buy anything new that ED proposes even if it isn't that substantial. 

MWS is cool, IGLAs are cool, third pylon is cool (sorry if I offended some of y'all ), new 3d model is cool, I also hope they'll also add new cool weathered cockpit textures just as they did with the a10cII.

 

[Mr.Scar]

I love all helos, so if i can afford the upgrade to bs3, then its a no-brainer for me.

[Stratos]

I would really miss the President-S system if they finally dont add it.

[Northstar98]

I'll probably be getting BS3, and I say that as one of the mentioned pedantic realism fanboys. What I'm after most is assets and maps that are as accurate as possible to their real-life counterparts, where possible. This Ka-50 isn't accurate to a real world aircraft, and it's much more accurate to call it a hypothetical unit. So given that it's a hypothetical unit, I'm more okay with it being a bit of a fudge.

 

In general I'm okay with hypothetical units (main ones I'm thinking about is the Ulyanovsk aircraft carrier, MBT/KPz-70, RAH-66, Object 120 and Object 279), but if we are going to make such units, I'd much rather stick to the planned capabilities and features of whatever it might be, instead of making something completely up; obviously where possible (it might be in this case that ED were unable to do something more grounded in reality as an actual planned aircraft  

 

The only glaring thing for me is the 6 pylons instead of the 4 - it looks as if they've just stuck a Ka-52 wing onto a Ka-50, but who knows, maybe it was a planned upgrade.

 

2 hours ago, 3WA said:

As many have stated, no one's going to buy it unless it has FLIR.  The whole EO system needs an upgrade.

 

No FLIR, no night attack ability.  Like a blind tiger.

 

Well, you could just, not fly it at night?

 

I don't get the obsession with the balance for helicopters fighting other helicopters, and if you are worried about REDFOR, then there are options available; either pick and choose what missions you fly in, or have an air defence system around - we've got an SA-15, SA-19 with an SA-22 planned, there's nothing stopping you from having one of them to support you.

Edited May 2, 2021 by Northstar98

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

All i was looking for were the new datalink features and exacly that got cut off

[Fri13]

1 hour ago, IkarusC42B Pilot said:

All i was looking for were the new datalink features and exacly that got cut off

What those would have been?

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

42 minutes ago, Fri13 said:

What those would have been?

How should i know?