Moonshine Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 found some things in some documents, sent a dm to @NineLine as i do not know if i can publicly post this here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazAce Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I built a small air start mission with start time as 18:00 & yet in pit DED showing 15:00. Short Track file attached AIR START VIPER MISSION TIME ISSUE b.trk :: 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900K :: Asus ROG Strix Z790-A mobo :: Asus Tuff Gaming GeForce RTX 3080 Ti :: NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB AIO white cooler :: G Skill Trident Z Royals DDR4 4x16GB = 64GB :: WD Black SN 850X NVMe SSD 2TB M.2 (C Drive) :: Samsung 860 Pro 2TB SATA (D Drive) :: Corsair Crystal 680X White Case :: Asus XG349C 34" Curve G-Sync 180Hz 3440x1440 Mon :: Corsair 850W PSU :: Virpil Constellation Alpha-R Stick with VPC WarBRD Base :: Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle :: 3 x CubeSim ext mini screens with TM Cougar MFD Bezels :: Asus ROG Pugio 503 Gaming Mouse & Razer BlackWidow mech kb :: TrackIR 5 Pro & Cap Clip :: Win 11 64 Bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Yeah but take into account that the DED displays Zulu time and not local. So you have to calculate timezone deviation. Which after a cold start depending on how quick you are will be a difference in time of a couple seconds, maybe minutes if you take into account the difference between Zulu and local. the hour will be different, yet the minutes and seconds should be the same. on the marianas map Zulu to local is about +12h, so instead of 18.00 your plane shows 06.00. but after a finished cold start, mission time might be 18.05 and you jet will be at 06.02z or something. and thats the issue Added track to demonstrate In hot starts the time is synced as you get instant power on the jet when you start the mission. not so during cold start. you lose those seconds until the engine is running or ground power is connected, until then the watch does not tick and will not sync at all despite GPS turned on. also the mission date is in 2016, so GPS is available F-16_GPS-Time_not_sync_3.trk Edited May 4, 2022 by Moonshine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazAce Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Moonshine said: Yeah but take into account that the DED displays Zulu time and not local. So you have to calculate timezone deviation. Which after a cold start depending on how quick you are will be a difference in time of a couple seconds, maybe minutes if you take into account the difference between Zulu and local. the hour will be different, yet the minutes and seconds should be the same. on the marianas map Zulu to local is about +12h, so instead of 18.00 your plane shows 06.00. but after a finished cold start, mission time might be 18.05 and you jet will be at 06.02z or something. and thats the issue Added track to demonstrate In hot starts the time is synced as you get instant power on the jet when you start the mission. not so during cold start. you lose those seconds until the engine is running or ground power is connected, until then the watch does not tick and will not sync at all despite GPS turned on. also the mission date is in 2016, so GPS is available F-16_GPS-Time_not_sync_3.trk 1.21 MB · 1 download Ok but that wasn't Marianas, it was Syria map over Cyprus & my DED displayed 15:00 & my mission start time as I explained was 18:00. When I flew Hornet & Hog.. it didn't matter where you were or how you started.. mission start time always equaled to time in Pit. Please kindly fix ED :: 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900K :: Asus ROG Strix Z790-A mobo :: Asus Tuff Gaming GeForce RTX 3080 Ti :: NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB AIO white cooler :: G Skill Trident Z Royals DDR4 4x16GB = 64GB :: WD Black SN 850X NVMe SSD 2TB M.2 (C Drive) :: Samsung 860 Pro 2TB SATA (D Drive) :: Corsair Crystal 680X White Case :: Asus XG349C 34" Curve G-Sync 180Hz 3440x1440 Mon :: Corsair 850W PSU :: Virpil Constellation Alpha-R Stick with VPC WarBRD Base :: Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle :: 3 x CubeSim ext mini screens with TM Cougar MFD Bezels :: Asus ROG Pugio 503 Gaming Mouse & Razer BlackWidow mech kb :: TrackIR 5 Pro & Cap Clip :: Win 11 64 Bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Syria is Zulu +3, that matches your description of 15.00 instead of 18.00. times are not wrong on hotstarts. and thats just the viper using Zulu time instead of local but thats correct as is. However, if GPS time would actually be working and syncing, it would probably be like the hornet or hog. or at the very least show the correct Zulu time in sync Edited May 4, 2022 by Moonshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigTatanka Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Yes, the bug here is only on cold started jets that the GPS clock doesn't auto set the system time of the jet, as it should.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk 1 Dances, PhD Jet Hobo https://v65th.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskyV Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I wonder if the individual client systems sync from the the server and the latency or ping between clients is what is causing the discrepancy in time. Dose this happen for single player missions too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SteelFalcon_ Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, RuskyV said: I wonder if the individual client systems sync from the the server and the latency or ping between clients is what is causing the discrepancy in time. Dose this happen for single player missions too? It‘s not the latency. Basically it is: mission running and jet cold with no power at all (no ground power, no battery etc) then the time will be off. The faster you start the jet after spawning, the smaller the deviation you have. If you spawn cold, sit on the ground for 10 minutes and then start the jet, the clock will be horribly out of sync 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskyV Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Thanks for explaining @_SteelFalcon_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Any news on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 A little more info, when MMC is powered off the system time disappears from the TIME page as the system time is an MMC function. System time begins counting on MMC power so it should be possible to start UFC power first, watch DED TIME page, then turn MMC on and time will pop in the appropriate field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) that is true, however, with the GPS turned on and the MMC turned on, time should automatically sync to GPS time with no input needed from the pilot cant publish the source here, but NL did not react to the DM i sent him yet. (probably too much in his inbox) Edited May 10, 2022 by Moonshine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHOGX5 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 On 5/10/2022 at 9:52 PM, Moonshine said: that is true, however, with the GPS turned on and the MMC turned on, time should automatically sync to GPS time with no input needed from the pilot cant publish the source here, but NL did not react to the DM i sent him yet. (probably too much in his inbox) The clock in the F-16CM-50 will always resume where it left off when it was shut down. At a later point during the startup when a GPS signal has been acquired the time will be automatically set to GPS SYSTEM in the time page. If you don't want GPS SYSTEM time this has to be overridden manually on the time page. 3 -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) Still does not explain why the clock wont set itself to actual GPS time with GPS turned on and it showing up as GPS on the time page Edited May 13, 2022 by Moonshine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHOGX5 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Moonshine said: Still does not explain why the clock wont set itself to actual GPS time with GPS turned on and it showing up as GPS on the time page Oh, you mean in DCS? Sorry, I was talking real life functionality. Yeah, it's obviously not properly implemented in DCS. 1 -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, WHOGX5 said: Oh, you mean in DCS? Sorry, I was talking real life functionality. Yeah, it's obviously not properly implemented in DCS. yeah, only referring to DCS as i know how it should be sorry for the misunderstanding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEOMOOSE Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 I recall F16s defaults to zulu, which you can convert to local times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 true as well. but even zulu time isnt correct after a cold start WITH GPS, see my tracks earlier in this post. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777coletrain Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) On 5/13/2022 at 11:36 AM, WHOGX5 said: The clock in the F-16CM-50 will always resume where it left off when it was shut down. At a later point during the startup when a GPS signal has been acquired the time will be automatically set to GPS SYSTEM in the time page. If you don't want GPS SYSTEM time this has to be overridden manually on the time page. If this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense for the clock to just always show the correct time instead of simulating what it would do on start up and just always being wrong? Seems like showing the correct time when its not supposed to is the lesser evil of the two options. Edited June 19, 2022 by 777coletrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itn Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, 777coletrain said: If this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense for the clock to just always show the correct time instead of simulating what it would do on start up and just always being wrong? Seems like showing the correct time when its not supposed to is the lesser evil of the two options. What makes most sense is to just implement GPS time functionality as it is on the jet IRL. In DCS missions with GPS available, I'd guess it would pretty much mean the same as "clock always correct (after some GPS acquisition delay on startup)". And without GPS in mission, you'd have to time hack as you should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777coletrain Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 hours ago, itn said: What makes most sense is to just implement GPS time functionality as it is on the jet IRL. In DCS missions with GPS available, I'd guess it would pretty much mean the same as "clock always correct (after some GPS acquisition delay on startup)". And without GPS in mission, you'd have to time hack as you should. I agree, but I think until that stuff is implemented it would be nice to have the clock actually be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Today I practiced TOS with a friend, he was on a F-18C and I had to manualy sync the clock time to his because there was 2 mintes of difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SteelFalcon_ Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ignition said: Today I practiced TOS with a friend, he was on a F-18C and I had to manualy sync the clock time to his because there was 2 mintes of difference. Yeah it‘s a pity. Even the same flight of F-16s. If you dont spaen in and power it on at the exact same time, your clocks are out of sync. For any actualy TOS you‘d have to do a manual sync of the clock or use the hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777coletrain Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, _SteelFalcon_ said: For any actualy TOS you‘d have to do a manual sync of the clock or use the hack Which is such a shame since it basically makes TOS useless for anything other than a ETE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted June 20, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 20, 2022 I have marked reported and merged with another related report. When we have news we will pass it on. thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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