Worth it on sale??? or wait another 6 months?

[Topo]

4 minutes ago, Ercoupe said:

Jeff?

JF-17 Thunder

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/it/products/planes/thunder/

Edited June 24, 2021 by Topo

[TobiasA]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb Scubamurph:

It doesn't matter if it is not "complete" to me.  I really enjoy the Viper.  It is what I fly most after the A10.

If you like the look of it and are interested in flying it, try it for the 2 weeks for free.  If you like it - get it in a sale and have fun.

If you are one of those people that get wound up because it is not 100% realistic/complete then you will never be happy with DCS.

 

 

 

Well it certainly is a nice plane. It is however work in progress with little progress in the last months. 

What bothers me most are the extremely high landing speeds due to the fm, apart from that it is at least somewhat usable in the Air to Air role or for attacking pre planned targets on the ground. 

You should not take dog fights currently, but in the area between 300kts and Vne it is pretty accurate for being WIP and a joy to fly. 

Yet people are calling for a nerf of something still lacking basic functionality, and as of today there are more important things than those details. 

That's all I am saying.

[ruddy122]

Like everybody said there are some limitations and the viper is still a WIP but it’s a lot of fun

If you want realism try the Tomcat or Hornet but the Viper has its own challenges like not flipping over while taxiing and staying on the runway and don’t hit anything expensive


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[Syndrome]

17 hours ago, TobiasA said:

it is slightly better as it should in a very specific area while being a lot worse in all others. 

 

This pretty much sums it up.  Unless you're just doing BVR, in the current state, I would not recommend it just yet since you'll be dogfighting everything else with a disadvantage (unless they're also in a Viper), but luckily thanks to the new 14 day trial, anyone is free to try it out and see for themselves.   Maybe the beauty, speed, and bubble canopy will overcome the BFM performance issues for you?  BVR is great.  Anything else, not so much.  Honestly though if you're looking for a great performer that can do everything a Viper should be able to do (and more), hornet is much more solid buy atm.   Or maybe a Jeff if you don't use the gun. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Syndrome

[Beirut]

I just bought it. Again. This time I'm not returning it (Steam). Love the speed and the visibility. I've got the A-10C II, the Harrier, and the Hornet for A2G. The F-16 is going to be for A2A. I guess I'll have to watch a bunch of A2A tutorials. But that is part of the fun.  

 

Hard to be a DCS addict and not have all the coolest new toys in the hangar. And the F-16 is cool, no doubt about it. I did some dogfighting before and it's, well... cool.

 

 

[Diesel_Thunder]

Totally worth it IMO 

 

She was my 3rd module, after having the A-10C and P-51 for a while. Was also my first hot rod! When I downloaded the Viper I ran the startup tutorial, and then loaded up a clean wing free flight, taxied to the runway and let her rip! She is just a blast to fly, especially cloud surfing in 2.7.

 

Still pretty capable, even though she isn’t as far along as the Hornet. Dang good visibility, and did I mention it’s fun to fly  

[skywalker22]

11 hours ago, Beirut said:

I just bought it. Again. This time I'm not returning it (Steam). Love the speed and the visibility. I've got the A-10C II, the Harrier, and the Hornet for A2G. The F-16 is going to be for A2A. I guess I'll have to watch a bunch of A2A tutorials. But that is part of the fun.  

 

Hard to be a DCS addict and not have all the coolest new toys in the hangar. And the F-16 is cool, no doubt about it. I did some dogfighting before and it's, well... cool.

 

 

I would say F-16 is more suitable for A2G, mainly because it cannot carry as many AIMs as F/A-18 can. And this 50 Block I think its more made for ground targets, although it can deal with aircrafts. 

[Beirut]

33 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

I would say F-16 is more suitable for A2G, mainly because it cannot carry as many AIMs as F/A-18 can. And this 50 Block I think its more made for ground targets, although it can deal with aircrafts. 

 

Oh I do intend on blowing some stuff up, that's for sure. 

 

But the Hornet has the Walleyes and SLAMs and Harpoons, and the funky ground radar and GMT. Those are some nifty toys.

[Eugel]

I had the F-16 on my wishlist for months and everytime it was on sale I told myself "Learn the A-10 and the Huey better before buying a new toy"

But on the last sale I said "OK, next sale I will buy it". That sale came pretty quick and I got the F-16 on Friday.
Yes, it´s not complete and you will notice. Several pages on the MFD for example just say "placeholder" which might kill the immersion a bit.

And while some functiuns are missing, there are plenty already in. And they are working on it, there are regular updates on the F-16 with every patch.

 

But, as others have said, it is so much fun to fly.

I have only flown the A-10 and now flying the F-16 is like discovering that your car has more than the first gear ! I still have not managed to remove the smile off my face from my first flight on Friday.

I´d say it depends a bit on what other aircraft you already have, so for me (A-10 and Huey) it´s the perfect addition. If you are interested in the F-16 you might as well just buy it on sale now, have fun flying and watch it grow. It won´t be cheaper in 6 months...

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Eugel

[ebabil]

Viper in dcs is getting nerfed day by day (harms reduced, Jhmcs version etc). Because it is 2007 version, or lack of info they say. So very few weapons and sensors are/ will be available. No proper jsow, no cft, no lantirn, no harpoon, no chute, no two seater multicrew..

F16 is one of the world's most advanced multirole fighter. But not in this game. 

So if you are not a viper fan (I assume you are not because you haven't bought yet) I suggest jf17, f14

[Silver_Dragon]

28 minutes ago, ebabil said:

Viper in dcs is getting nerfed day by day (harms reduced, Jhmcs version etc). Because it is 2007 version, or lack of info they say. So very few weapons and sensors are/ will be available. No proper jsow, no cft, no lantirn, no harpoon, no chute, no two seater multicrew..

F16 is one of the world's most advanced multirole fighter. But not in this game. 

So if you are not a viper fan (I assume you are not because you haven't bought yet) I suggest jf17, f14

ED has not "nerfed" anything. Remember:

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Our Viper will be an F-16C with the Common Configuration Implementation Program (CCIP) upgrade. We feel this to be the most versatile version of the F-16 with capabilities for SEAD, precision attack, close air support, and of course air-to-air. We will be taking great care though to develop a very accurate simulation of the F-16C Block 50 operated by the United States Air Force and Air National Guard circa 2007.

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Silver_Dragon

[Lurker]

What's it like in VR? I'm currently addicted to VR in DCS and can't go back to flying without it. However, it's really difficult for me to get into a lot of clickity cockpits because of the VR limitations. (Rift S user here) I.E. can't read a lot of the dials, or the MFDs being blurry etc. I might just try it to check out if it's worth it with the Rift S. But what I really need is a better VR kit. 

[Eugel]

I love the F-16 cockpit in VR, but I feel like, compared to the A-10, the MFDs are a bit hard to read (though they are fine in darkness), and they also seem quite small to me.

Other than that, everything is fine to read and the bubble canopy is amazing in VR.

I just started to learn the aircraft, but I´ve read that there are quite some functions that are not mapped to the HOTAS, so you probably will have to do some clicking...

[Sideburns]

The F16 is a fun jet but buyer beware, the dev team are mostly working on the F18 atm (after we were initially told F16 and F18 would not interfere with each other's development pre F16 release) which means the F16 has had slower then expected development and also that the feature list for the F16 is "dynamic", the sniper pod and AGM-154c have been dropped recently.

[Baaz]

Eh, real pilots fly choppers , and the most anticipated of them all is scheduled for EA at the end of the year.

Now that the truth is out there, is it worth it to buy the Viper now, YES, it most certainly is (and that's coming from someone who prefers the Hornet because of carrier ops).

Edited June 29, 2021 by Baaz

[skywalker22]

Why is it not 50% off? 

I tired it for 2 weeks, and love it, I only miss that it would carry more A2A missiles on pilons where are now only rockets or bombs. I know Block50 is more prone to A2G, but still. Would be awesome to have some other Block as well in the near future.

Anyway, to answer the OPs question, it surely is worth of buying - if you consider it. I sure will.

Edited June 29, 2021 by skywalker22

[TobiasA]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Harlikwin:

 

IDK, I'd worry about the Apache TBH, very complex helo... More complex than the Viper or hornet, and see how those are going years later...

 

Hind has worked out better than expected so far, but its MUCH simpler helo. 

I don't think the Apache is more complex than the F-16, but if the Apache enters early access before we see any larger important fixes (not new stuff, fixes) on the F-16 then your worries might come true. 

I'll be watching it, and will decide on if I will buy another ED module based on it. 

I already skipped the Hind and the F-18 for now. Heatblur is what I see as high fidelity and I do not know if ED can be on the same level. Time will tell. 

The F-16 is my first early access module, and if you buy early access, you pay for development and do not have a finished product. It is a price I am willing to pay for seeing the the F-16 in DCS, but until now my experience leaves room for improvement, seeing Hind and Apache developed but no real updates on the F-16 for half a year. 

You need to be patient with the F-16 I guess. 

Edited June 29, 2021 by TobiasA

[NineLine]

You can try the free trial and decide if it's for you. Thanks.